DON'T BLAME THE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS...they didn't write the rulebook

[Confido]

No you should blame the citizen who left their door open wide and then paid the illegal worker to clean their house and mow their lawn.

This is simple supply and demand. There is a huge demand for cheap, cheap labor in America and the illegals supply it.

If Americans wouldnt hire them they would go home.

Can't argue with the "don't hire and they'll go home"
idea, but I see it as more than a supply and demand issue.
The bottom line is, it's illegal, compounded by more illegal.
There is a huge demand for marijuana in this country as
well, and there is no short supply, but it is illegal to grow,
sell, buy, and use it, so if you participate in any way, your
butt is arrested, or ticketed, and you either go to jail, or
pay a fine. It plays heavily  into our economics. If the
illegals, and those who employ them were arrested, ticketed,
fined, and/or jailed, we would see a dramatic decrease in
illegal immigration. Once the profit is removed from an
operation/business, the operation/business ceases to exist.

[WhatMeWorry?]

Can't argue with the "don't hire and they'll go home"
idea, but I see it as more than a supply and demand issue. If it was a desire to immigrate problem they would try and assimilate.
The bottom line is, it's illegal, compounded by more illegal.But which crime is worse? Illegal immigration or the exploitation of illegal immigrants? Hell, weigh it on the scales of morality.
There is a huge demand for marijuana in this country as
well, and there is no short supply, but it is illegal to grow,
sell, buy, and use it, so if you participate in any way, your
butt is arrested, or ticketed, and you either go to jail, or
pay a fine.People hide their pot use. Illegal workers exist out in the open. It plays heavily  into our economics.I would say our economy is predicated on the use of illegal labor. If the
illegals, and those who employ them were arrested, ticketed,
fined, and/or jailed, we would see a dramatic decrease in
illegal immigration.The thing to do is punish those who hire illegals. There arent enough jail cells to house all the worker bees. But pen up a few queens and all the workers go away. Once the profit is removed from an
operation/business, the operation/business ceases to exist.True. But the price of lettuce is going to go through the roof.

[mr.willy]

But the price of lettuce is going to go through the roof.

THEN GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND GROW YOUR OWN LETTUCE..........

[Mr T]

Rent "A Day Without a Mexican" - it is wonderful.

We need is a sane worker policy, for sure.  We haven't been able to harvest the bounty of this country since we had this bounteous country, without their help.  We couldn't do it when they first put the trains through and we can't do it today.  We couldn't even do it back home in Connecticut, where things are small.  Everything ripens at the same time - tomatoes, corn, shade-grown tobacco (very intensive stuff.)  On the East Coast the workers are from Puerto Rico, but it is the same thing. 

Unfortunately, a sane policy requires sane people and we seem to be experiencing a shortage.

[WhatMeWorry?]

But the price of lettuce is going to go through the roof.

THEN GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND GROW YOUR OWN LETTUCE..........

NO!

[Terry]

Don't sweat it! HOPELESS - 'i' grow enough lettece for both of 'us', the mexicans just get some of my hot peppers; & do they ever love'm'!

[AdaLeft]

As with drugs, the illegal immigration issue in America is about the demand, in this case the demand for cheap labor.

Who wants/needs cheap labor?  American corporations.  Why do they want cheap labor?  Bigger profits.

It's as simple as that.  If they weren't being hired they wouldn't be here.

[jlmer]

How can any one person or group be blamed? The illegals have no respect for the laws of this country or they wouldn't be coming into this country, the people that hire them have no respect for the laws of this country or they wouldn't hire them, the law enforcement people from cops to judges don't have the respect for the law or they'd enforce it and sentence accordingly. There's plenty of blame to go around.

[Terry]

jlmer, "U"v stated a Fact - " NOW " what "U" ona do bout IT?    Complain!!!!

[AdaLeft]

So jlmer what extremes would you go to to make money to feed your family?  Would you skirt immigration law if someone was willing to pay you hundreds of times more than you could make at home?  Is it about disrespecting law or about providing for your family?

[jlmer]

First of all, they shouldn't be in this country. Try going into theirs illegally. Secondly, the people that hire them should be find at least as much as they paid the illegal.
Our borders should be protected at any cost. It isn't just Mexican migrants coming into this country to work, it's their drug cartels setting up business, terrorists from other countries are crossing our borders thru Mexico because it's easy.
We need to either build a wall or have enough troops to strictly enforce illegal crossings or invade Mexico, make it a state, clean out the corruption and drugs and then let the Chicago democrats rule it...Who knows, maybe Fox would be made mayor of Tijuana.

[AdaLeft]

Your argument doesn't make sense, why would someone want to enter Mexico illegally? Are you desperate for work? for money? is there no work in your area for a decent wage? is someone in Mexico offering you outrageous amounts of money for work?  Then your argument would make sense.

I ask again Jlmer, what extremes would you go to to support your loved ones? Would you take work illegally in a foreign country if it meant making a lot more money than at home? 

Let's not pretend that every illegal immigrant is a member of a drug cartel.  that is a bit like saying every Muslim is a terrorist.  If everyone is in the drug cartel, then who are the ones working illegally in construction and in the fields?  You know, the ones working their asses off to support their families?

Would you do that?

I don't see how someone can be faulted for trying to make their life better.

We need to stop Americans from doing drugs.  That will stop Mexican drug cartels. After all that is the bulk of their business.  And we either need to stop American companies from hiring illegals, and punish them for doing so, or we need to make work permits and the like easier for non Americans to obtain.  American companies want to make money, capitalism right?  How can they make more money? cheap labor.

[jlmer]

Actually, I'm desperate for someone with common sense to join this debate. Do you happen to know the definition of "illegal"?
How do you propose to keep the drug cartel and terrorists out of the country and let the illegal migrant workers in?
It might be a good idea to put the citizens of this country to work picking peaches, etc. instead of laying around breeding and drawing free tax money off of the working people of this country.
Have you not heard the statements that are coming out of Mexico about how bad we are for not wanting their people in this country, drug dealers and all? Have you not read the restrictions Mexico has against illegals going into their country? Do you not care about the hypocrisy of it all?
How many are you willing to hire? Want them living next door to you with 10-20 in a 3 room house, driving your streets without insurance or a drivers license, sponging off of your hospitals and getting more benefits than you do? Even if they did write the rule book it would be for you and I, they'd be excluded.

[AdaLeft]

I offer nothing but common sense jlmer, and you still haven't answered the question if you were living south of the border, desperate, hungry and out of work, what extremes would you go to to feed your family? would you cross the border to pick vegetables? would you cross the border the work construction?  Would you take the offers of greedy American's that want to pay you a fraction of what they would have to pay an American? What would you do to survive? to feed your kids?

Stop Americans from doing drugs and you eliminate the drug cartels.  American drug users are why they exist.

Americans working the fields? really?  I wish that were the case but in this day and age of laziness I don't see that happening.

Why do people come here to work? because they are desperate, they need to eat and feed their families. 

Why is there work available? because America is about capitalism, and cheap illegal labor costs less that American labor.  Greed.  profit.

So one guy is breaking the law to feed his family.  Another is breaking the law to get rich.

What would you do jlmer?

[jlmer]

If I lived in Mexico and wanted to come to the US to work I'd apply for a Green Card. If I liked it here I'd then apply for citizenship and do it legally.
Because some Americans buy drugs is a reason to open our borders to all sorts of riff raff?
Lets legalize rape since we can't seem to stop it.
Just because a person is lazy is NO excuse to support him/her and let them continue on their lazy crusades.
You really aren't making a lot of sense in your argument. You're saying just because people do it let it go. Why do you think we have laws in this country?
Who is breaking the law to get rich?
Sounds like you're jealous of the people who are successful. That's the liberal belief, you work for it and give it to me.
You need to read about the founding fathers, why they came here, where they developed their laws from and wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights. You have no clue from what you're saying.