DON'T BLAME THE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS...they didn't write the rulebook

[mr.willy]

illegal immigrants, IS driving up crime, stealing jobs and burdening hospitals and schools AdaLeft will not except.


Illegal immigrants are not "victims" who need us to rescue them. The CIA reports that the Mexican unemployment rate was recently only 4%, lower than 150 other countries and lower than the unemployment rate of the United States. Mexico is ranked #13 in GDP, higher than 172 countries. Mexico is home to the richest man in the world, has nine billionaires and has more millionaires than Germany.

[AdaLeft]

Again, great "stats" Mr. Willy, but are you honestly saying that these figures apply to the average Mexican or Bolivian or someone else from south of our border?  Are you really saying that Mexico is a fantastic and wealthy place, and that all these successful Mexicans are giving up their lavish lifestyles to come to America to take advantage of Welfare?  Is that what you are saying Mr. Willy? If it is so great there, and things are so wonderful, why risk everything and spend your life savings getting here to America to the jobs offered to you by American companies.

BTW, yet again you've shied away from the topic of American companies offering these jobs to illegal immigrants in order to make bigger profits.  What should be done to these American Capitalist Business owners? 

I've not disagreed with you concerning negatives that have arisen from immigration, I've simply pointed out to you the realities of the situation.  Americans offer jobs to immigrants from Mexico and points south, and people risk everything to get here and take them and work their asses off for American companies, adding to our economy in the process.  Our economy depends on this labor now, because it's been allowed so long.

As with other posts, your stats, while interesting, don't really pertain to reality or to the situation of average hard working people trying to make a living, a better life for their families.

[mr.willy]

you've shied away from the topic of American companies offering these jobs to illegal immigrants

AdaLeft if you would get off your butt you would find out that over the past year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has conducted audits of employee files at more than 2,900 companies. The agency has levied a record $3 million in civil fines so far this year on businesses that hired unauthorized immigrants, according to official figures.

[Terry]

AdaLeft "U"ll see the day "U"d love to have one of those illegal immigrant jobs, & it's not far off!
"U"ll be the one on welfare and begging for "OUR" gov to do something about
illegal immigrants - cause 'it's' starving "U".
YES! "U"ll see it soon!!!!

[AdaLeft]

AdaLeft if you would get off your butt you would find out that over the past year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has conducted audits of employee files at more than 2,900 companies. The agency has levied a record $3 million in civil fines so far this year on businesses that hired unauthorized immigrants, according to official figures.

get off my butt? you've not commented on the fact that American companies hire illegal immigrants in order to make more money, which is why illegal immigrants flock to our nation, and somehow your response is to tell me to get off my butt?

Again, thank you for the provided stats.  I wonder though, Mr Willy, in all politeness, do you have any real world experience outside of using Google for statistical information?

[AdaLeft]

AdaLeft "U"ll see the day "U"d love to have one of those illegal immigrant jobs, & it's not far off!
"U"ll be the one on welfare and begging for "OUR" gov to do something about
illegal immigrants - cause 'it's' starving "U".
YES! "U"ll see it soon!!!!

This is a most confusing post Terri.  Do you have some information you'd like to share about this forthcoming event you know about?

I would find it hard to believe that the American companies that hire illegal immigrants in order to make greater profits would do so in my line of work, but I guess one never knows.

What you strange post has to do with the facts of the conversation escapes me, but thank you for your..input?

[mr.willy]

thank you for the provided stats.

AdaLeft where are your stats and  you have a hard time of reading my post.

The agency has levied a record $3 million in civil fines so far this year on businesses that hired unauthorized immigrants, according to official figures.

[mr.willy]

AdaLeft FYI THESE illegal aliens are not just picking lettuce and digging ditches any more. It HASN'T been that long ago that being a dry-waller, brick-layer, house framer, painter, roofer, carpet layer, plumber, or electrician was a good paying & a middle class trade. Now in many places these jobs are becoming the work for illegal aliens at far less than the free market rate. While illegal alien workers are a portion of many of those job categories their willingness to work at dramatically lower rates artificially drags down the compensation for all workers.

[AdaLeft]

And why are these jobs going to illegal aliens Mr. Willy?

Because American companies are hiring them.  Why are they hiring them?  Cause they can pay less for the same work and make more money.

I don't have any problem reading your posts Mr. Willy, I asked you to comment on the businesses hiring illegals.

You say there is a crackdown in one post, then you say they are taking over all jobs in the next post.

How do you FEEL about the fact that American capitalists, in order to make more money and be more successful, hire illegal workers instead of Americans?

[mr.willy]

How do you FEEL about the fact that American capitalists, in order to make more money and be more successful, hire illegal workers instead of Americans?

AdaLeft the fact is if the gov was doing their job there would be no illegeal immagrants here being a dry-waller, brick-layer, house framer, painter, roofer, carpet layer, plumber, or electrician.

AdaLeft you know the first duty of the federal government is to defend the people. National security should be its number one responsibility. The people are tired of the federal government's failure to secure our borders and enforce our laws on illegal  immigration !!!!!!!!!

[AdaLeft]

So what you are saying is, it's the federal government's fault, not the fault of the American's hiring the illegal workers?

Those doing the hiring are not accountable for their actions you are saying, they couldn't help hiring illegal workers and breaking the law, because the damn government let them across the border.

Is that what you are saying?

It's OK to hire illegal immigrants in order to make larger profits, as long as the damn federal government doesn't stop them from coming in.

That is what you are saying?  Where is personal responsibility?

And let's face it Mr. Willy, this issue of illegal immigration and illegal hiring by American companies for cheaper wages/larger profits has been going on for over half a century.  There is no new threat on our border.

[AdaLeft]

by the way, I am curious to how all of the conservative disciples of Ronald Reagan feel about his view on illegal immigration?  After all he granted amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants during his presidency. 

[mr.willy]

So what you are saying is, it's the federal government's fault, not the fault of the American's hiring the illegal workers?

and enforce our laws on illegal  immigration !!!!!!!!

That must be to hard for  AdaLeft to understand

Ronald Reagan feel about his view on illegal immigration

Ronald Reagan called himself a conservative, but on immigration, he was not and  Ronald Reagan, lined up with the liberals, and his historical reputation does reflect this.

[AdaLeft]

So then you ARE saying that those American citizens in American companies breaking the law bear no responsibility because the federal government hasn't enforced the borders properly?

Wouldn't that also mean that those crossing the border bear no responsibility because the federal government hasn't enforced the borders properly?

No offense Mr. Willy, but your arguments on this issue tend to contradict one another.

[mr.willy]

No offense Mr. Willy, but your arguments on this issue tend to contradict one another.

::D

No offense AdaLeft you have no  common sense and you you cannot defend the illegal  immigration and my arguments on this issue does not tend to contradict one another. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: