Marijuana

[mr.willy]

I wish you a nice life!

And back to  hammondjam  ;D ;D

[flybananas]

frustrated with health care and pain, yes. Too bad one can't get pain relief in this country.

Meanwhile, i just cannot understand your reticence to believe there are medical applications for mj. Helping that cancer patient with her appetite, that parkinsons patient with their shaking, the pain relief, the anti-anxiety properties, the glaucoma benefit, other calming properties or it's simple clean relaxation properties (vs the violence/tough man inducing properties of alcohol)

you know, medical benefits

[hammondjam]

You COULD get pain control IF you had a nice, expensive insurance policy OR were willing to go into 5 digit debt. Tribal leaders appear to be more concerned with profit than providing decent health care of their people. I find that extremely offensive.

Back on the subject...somewhat...Willy, I'll say something else too. I've NEVER had any health problems from using marijuana but I HAVE had some from eating American food. There are a ton of health risks associated with genetically modified veggies and fruits, industrial meat production and sugar substitutes. I lived through years of horrendous pain due to high fructose corn syrup and could get no doctor to look at my case as anything real. My wife (Mr.T) did years of research and came up with the answer...AND a Pandora's Box of other things most Americans don't know about our country's food quality and it's effect on the general health of the nation.

Our government attempts to scare us about a simple plant but allows food producers to use techniques and chemicals in our food that NOT EVEN AFRICA will alow in their country. In 2008 the CDC found salmonella, E.coli and other drug resitant strains of bacteria in 80% of the meat it tested. All the hype about pot and the lack of about food is because of corporative sponsorship. HFCS is cheaper than sugar and medical marijuana(as is) can't be copyrighted by the pharmaceutical industry. Follow the money trail.

If our government was as pessimistically cautious about other things as they are about pot, we wouldn't have companies like Sprint and AT&T marketing cell phones to kids. Cells are under investigation for dangerous radiation but over ninety percent of Americans have one or more.

I respect your stand but I must tell you these things so you know there is a lot that Uncle Sam ISN'T protecting us from. Next time you see a diabetic 8 yr. old with weight issues or somebody fighting a deadly case of foodborne E. coli, ask WHY are there Coke machines in schools and why do industrial meat producers get to offer us meat that comes from places where the workers are losing their fingernails from the bacterial contamination?

[mr.willy]

BENEFITS
Initial studies in the 1970s reported that smoked marijuana resulted in lower IOP hours after administration. The NEI-sponsored studies demonstrated that some derivatives of marijuana did result in lowering of IOP when administered orally, intravenously, or by smoking, but not when topically applied to the eye. The duration of the pressure-lowering effect is reported to be in the range of 3 to 4 hours. Benefits also include euphoria as an acute effect.

RISKS
Potentially serious side effects associated with smoking marijuana include an increased heart rate and a decrease in blood pressure. Studies of single-administration marijuana use have shown a lowering of blood pressure concurrent with the lowering of IOP. This raises concerns that there may be compromised blood flow to the optic nerve, but no data have been published on the long-term systemic and ocular effects from the use of marijuana by patients with glaucoma.

Other adverse effects from the use of marijuana that have been reported include conjunctival hyperemia, impaired immune system response, impaired memory for recent events, difficulty concentrating, impaired motor coordination, tolerance to repeated doses, and short-term withdrawal symptoms after cessation. Smoking of marijuana also can lead to emphysema-like lung changes, increased risk of cancer, and poor pregnancy outcomes. Because duration of the induced fall in IOP is short, an individual would have to smoke a marijuana cigarette eight to ten times a day in order to control IOP over 24 hours.

http://www.eyecareamerica.org/eyecare/treatment/alternative-therapies/marijuana-glaucoma.cfm

[Sir Jeffrey]

mj side effects is much lower than  the list of sideeffects for the prescription drugs that i take

[Terry]

     GIVE IT A BREAK WILLY!
"I" don't see "U" changing anyones mind  ::)   :-\    ::O: just giveup!    O K ?

[mr.willy]

hammondjam the fact still remains that we have one of the safest if not the safest, food supply in the world, when that food comes from US farmers.

[hammondjam]

That's definitely what we hear but the REAL truth has been squashed by companies like Monsanto, Cargill, Smithfield, Tyson, etc. America is being fed chemicals, E.coli, antibiotic laden liquid chicken and the fat in your local hamburger come in giant tubes so they can control the content. Some of that fat is harvested from the floor of the facility. Some of the meat is dead or near dead from disease before it ever reches the kill. We DO NOT have the safest food. We DO have the craftiest politicians in the pockets of food producers to cover up THAT fact! The family farm is dead except for a few organic farmers and ranchers that have to battle the FDA, USDA and all the lobbyists from the aforementioned companies.

Watch the documentary called  Food Inc. and see what you think. Our government has sold us out for money. Have you ever wondered why so many people are morbidly obese. That used to be such a rarity that it was freak show material. There was a kid who ate a cheeseburger during a vacation and didn't live to see his home again because the meat was full of E. coli. This has been proven but government officials have put up walls everytime the mother tries to get an investigation.

The America that you THINK exists is not alive anymore in Washington. WE are it's only survivors. If you don't believe me, do some digging. There is enough evidence against companies like Monsanto that they HIRE people to do damage control for them. There is a new campaign by the HFCS folks that say that High Fructose Corn Syrup is as safe as cane sugar. There are a ton of non-biased sites that give proof that they are lying.

Watch Food Inc. and tell me that the food is safe.

Look up Cargill E.coli and see what is REALLY happening to our food!

[hammondjam]

If it were not for T, my dog, my turtle and good folks like I think you are, I would buy a breakdown  and go hunting for the profiteering jerks that are screwing up a good country!  :mad:

I prefer a more peaceful attempt so I will continue to tell people whether they are ready to hear it or not. I'm walking proof that not ALL is safe. I can see the man behind the curtain but few others are looking.  :(

[mr.willy]

Unfounded allegations
Recent unfounded allegations suggest that fructose is uniquely responsible for the current obesity crisis in the U.S. These allegations - such as increased fat production or increased appetite - are based on poorly conceived experimentation of little relevance to the human diet, which tests unphysiologically high levels of fructose as the sole carbohydrate, often in animals that are poor models for human metabolism. The consequences of such exaggerated diets are predictably extreme, and are thoroughly reviewed by Forbes, et.al.6

Safety
Sucrose and HFS have long been considered Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS). As a significant component of these two sweeteners, the safety of fructose has been thoroughly documented in several authoritative scientific reviews:


GRAS status of HFS established (1983)4 — reviewed by FDA primarily as a component of HFS
Report of the Sugars Task Force (1986)5 — reviewed by FDA from all natural and added sources
Health Effects of Dietary Fructose (1993)6 — reviewed by an ILSI-convened Expert Panel from all natural and added dietary sources
GRAS status of sugars reaffirmed (1996)7 — reviewed by FDA from all added sources

The FDA concluded, "high fructose [corn] syrup is as safe for use in food as sucrose, corn sugar, corn syrup and invert sugar."1 The ILSI Expert Panel concluded, "fructose is a valuable, traditional source of food energy, and there is no basis for recommending increases or decreases in its use in the general food supply or in special dietary use products."8

A Joint Consultation of the World Health Organization and the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization9 found that consumption of sugars is not a causative factor in any disease, including obesity. Specifically stating:

http://www.fructose.org/facts.html

[Sir Jeffrey]

or watch the "Future of Food on Hulu.com

[hammondjam]

Well, you've been told and you prefer to believe the govenment agencies that are in bed with the food industry. Good luck!

[mr.willy]

hammondjam ARE YOU A VEGETARIAN

[Mr T]

No, we are not vegetarians. :smile:

We buy our eggs from Downing Family Farms, and our pork roast, chops,  pork stew meat for green chili, bacon, sausage etc from Pork and Greens.  I can't remember offhand the Oklahoma farmer who raises the grass-grown and finished beef we buy, but he's local.    The chiccken-source is local and totally free-range bug-eaters. :smile:

We buy organic local fruit and vegetables in season for the most part.  We eat and make organic soup, for the most part.  None of our dairy products have rBGH and most of them are in-state.

We still eat Velveeta for cheese dip.  We are 80/20, for the most part, but not for meat.  We do run into shortages because the folk growing real meat again can't keep up with the demand.  If you have enough room to raise two heritage pigs you can make a lot of money.

[Mr T]

Double post alert! :smile:

The food did not change until 1995 and after.  Everything you think you know is wrong.  I don't believe you don't have a disc-player thing or access to Netflix or a video store.  If you refuse to watch Food Inc I can't give your opinions any credence.  I just can't.  Watch the freaking movie! :mad:  It's two hours - what do you have to lose?

Mr Willy, are you a huge supporter of the government?  Do you believe that everything that comes out of Washington is true and correct?