Double-Dip Recession

[Mr T]

I think you have Jeffrey and Rat linked by mistake.  I could be in error, but I think you have Jeffrey all wrong. 

Jeffrey takes the civility of the forum to heart.  Discussion is great, even small arguments as long as they remain polite.  As he said, he does not know you so he hasn't decided about you per se, but he does appreciate not-yelling.

I don't think he was talking about your opinions as much as he was talking about your posting style.  You are abrasive and confrontational, and I think it keeps folk who don't "know" you reacting to your persona and not your information.  Your opinions get lost in the anger.

[Mr T]

Double-post alert!  I like you and I respect your opinions.  You don't talk about things if you don't know.  When you say something I take it seriously.  I think that is because I know you from before and we went to some trouble to get to know each other.  I let all the emotion go over my head and read your facts.

We haven't eaten seafood since you explained about the pirates.  Not even a can of tuna, because you were right.  We ate/poisoned all of our own, and now we are stealing/poisoning their fish.  God forbid we shouldn't have "heart-healthy fish oil capsules" and delicious whatever the latest culinary screech is.

After all, we deserve it! - Don't we? ::(:

I wish Ada weren't so far away so you could come to Bills with us.

[Terry]

MR. T, below his picture is a caption  HOPELESS!  "U" say "U" got to know him?  'me'  ( 2 )

[WhatMeWorry?]

I think you have Jeffrey and Rat linked by mistake.  I could be in error, but I think you have Jeffrey all wrong.  I Think you are correct. It struck me as weird what he posted. I apologize. 

Jeffrey takes the civility of the forum to heart.I dont respond to class warfare directed at you and I with civility.   Discussion is great, even small arguments as long as they remain polite.He did insinuate I was possibly an idiot. And if he isnt willing to call out the bigots at the barber shop then his civility isnt worth a tinkers dang.  As he said, he does not know you so he hasn't decided about you per se, but he does appreciate not-yelling.i have posted quite a bit on the norman forum. Whoo knew me and if Jeffrey doesnt then he needs to pay closer attention.

I don't think he was talking about your opinions as much as he was talking about your posting style."I yam what I yam and tha's all what I yam." -- Popeye the Sailor and me  You are abrasive and confrontational, and I think it keeps folk who don't "know" you reacting to your persona and not your information.Richard Pryor said  "Ive got a right to be hostile, my people are being persecuted!"  Your opinions get lost in the anger.

Howard Beale: I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's work, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TV's while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad.
Howard Beale: [shouting] You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell,
[screaming at the top of his lungs]
Howard Beale: 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it:
Howard Beale:[screaming at the top of his lungs] "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

Maybe I can make it to Bills sometime. I would like that.

I am working out of town right now. Maybe after the first of the year.

[Whoo]

Wednesday sounds good to me, but will we get together again closer to Halloween?! :)

[flybananas]

Hubz will probably work on Wednesday.  IDK right now...  We'll see.

[Sir Jeffrey]

So, Wednesday, Bill's @ 6:30 pm with a request for another the week of Holloween?

[Mr T]

I'm there!  And also there. :smile:

[RatSass]

I will be there both times.

[flybananas]

i think he's off on wed, but he broke THE bad tooth today. Idk how he'll feel. AND with my broken foot? sigh...

[Whoo]

Ah, the emerging foreign family in favor with the Bush clan after 09/11:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39528462/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times

All the money being funneled out of our pockets and into yet another foreign family's...in this instance, I'd venture to say whomever controls the country (Afghanistan) controls the destiny of the poppy fields.  Without the poppy fields, the drug companies have nothing (cheap) to make their bigger-better-faster-more drugs to try out on the American public.  Strategically, the US military needs to set up shop somewhere in the region, and since Pakistan doesn't look like they don't know how to play the ballgame very well, Afghanistan is almost a two-for-the-price-of-one country.

Bear with me a second...

[Whoo]

An old military friend and I were discussing this last night.  What is the one thing the Afghans have going for them?  The opium crop.  Multi-billion crop, it is.  What is a common element used by terrorists, cartels in establishing power?  Drugs.  Lotsa moolah off the drug trade.  Now, the US government tried to go into Afghanistan and convince the generations-old poppy farmers to give up their cash crops and turn to regular farming as a means to support themselves and get out from under the oppression/slavery they put themselves into (and yeah, maybe they could supplement their incomes by being allowed to keep a smaller portion of their lands as poppy fields, which would be "monitored" but utilized to "help the worlds' medical communities").  The Taliban, etc. says to the farmers, "Why go through all that work to MAYBE make enough to feed yourselves, we will make sure you have cash now, because we don't care who fries their brains on opium, we will sell it anyway and cut you a slice."  Enter the Karzais.  Well trained in commerce, politics, etc. courtesy of diplomatic ties to the US.  They can take Afghanistan and turn it into one big Karzai estate... and control the poppy fields.  And make a huge fortune off the worlds' medical communities and drug companies. ::)

[Whoo]

The US, well governed by the drug companies  ::) see this as being a good thing.  Then Karzai started getting wishy-washy, and Obama doesn't like what he is seeing (Karzai was getting chummy with the Taliban again, playing one side against the other for the higher dollar)... now we hear in the news that for some unknown reason the opium crops, many of which are grown by family members of the Taliban, have sustained some mysterious, unknown fungi or disease, or something, but essentially the bottom line is their cash flow is gonna be low enough to make a significant bite.  Much teeth gnashing and wailing commences, and now the Karzai family is reaching out to the Taliban, offering reintegration, the potential for income and a normal life...yeah, like, "if you're good boys, we can work with the bigger boys and ALL be rich."  It's not really true, but it sounds good, and the perpetually stoned farmers are buying into it, and therefore, the pressure they put upon their brethren Taliban soldiers to work with the Afghan government (the Karzais) is significant.  Everyone is happy, particularly the pharmaceutical companies.  And their investors.   >:(

[Terry]

DA!

[Whoo]

Oh, how nice - let's tick off the Chinese:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39598178/ns/politics-the_new_york_times

Scapegoat, indeed. ::)