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This article covers about everything you can think about when it comes to marijuana

def have to log in on the desktop to read that. I'm curious. Heard so many good/bad about mj. My biggest concern is that it was never tested by the gov't before being made illegal. Why would God give us a seed bearing plant we can't consume? So much just doesn't make sense re mj.

Money and racism.

oh, wow ~ extensive information!!  i will peruse it later...  cuz, speaking of money ~ lunch is OVER!!

I want to know WHY I can go to a local doctor complaining of stress and walk away with a script for Zanex but I can't smoke a bowl in my living room while listening to some good tunes without having to worry about losing my house and my freedom. I also want to know why someone can take a few zannies and veg out in front of the television but I can go to jail for smoking a bowl of pot. I'll bet that I'm WAY more functional after a nice bowl than someone on those pharmaceutical lobotomies.

Times are a changin' and I hope they do before I'm dead. The war on pot is way too costly to continue. Around here, you could make red dirt illegal and it wouldn't be much more stupid!

Quote from: hammondjam on June 03, 2010, 06:34:57 PM
I'll bet that I'm WAY more functional after a nice bowl than someone on those pharmaceutical lobotomies.

I now wish that I could delete that last part. I was, without thinking this thru enough, referring to the worst case scenario of zanex users/abusers. T reminded me that some folks are prescribed this and don't abuse it. I didn't mean to diss anyone in that category.

nice...thanks........4:20 right around the corner

don't worry jam. I put my size 8 wide in my mouth often. Most recently about depression on the faceplace! Said something to the effect that ppl just need to get off their medicated butts and exercise. But i was referring to the over diagnosed over medicated folks. Not the truly clinically depressed. And i should've known better in my profession! 

Sometimes, when I'm trying to make a multi-faceted point, it comes out without all the explanations necessary to make the point clear. It's like my brain is playing naked Twister and I wind up showing more cheek than the original point.   ::O: :o :-[ :'( ::D:

Quote from: hammondjam on June 03, 2010, 06:34:57 PM
Times are a changin' and I hope they do before I'm dead.

Me too, Jam.  Yep, I want to live to see the day when I can sit out on my front porch with a cup of coffee and a big old hootie, yell and shake my fist at the little bastards walking in my yard!!! ;D

Actually, the kids around here don't get in my yard, just use my driveway as a launching pad for their skates/bikes/other wheeled devices.  But you can visualize me doing it, huh?! >:( >:( ;D

If you worked it right, you could be the lady in the neighborhood that has all the baseballs and frisbees in your yard. The kids would be outside the yard going "Nah...I ain't gonna go get it..YOU go get it!! I hear she grinds kids up and uses them to feed her birds".  :o  ::O: :smile: ::;: ::D:

Yep, gotta have lard/fat for suet!!! :) ;D

And with kids obesity rates off the charts that will work into your conspiracy very well, lol.

have you noticed that some brands {hartz} of bird seed has MJ seeds in it?  :P

Commercial bird seed used to have cannabis sativa seeds as a normal part of the food. Our old parakeet, Elvis, loved them. He would sing his behind off after a meal of those. It's a great source of healthy fat for the birds.

On to humans and Cannabis seeds...I have a bag of hulled seeds that I got from the health food store. They are VERY tasty and they are quite legal. I eat them in sandwiches and on salads and I'm gonna be making a hempburger soon. Too bad that we have to import the seeds from Canada instead of getting them right here but that's our halfwit government for you. Wouldn't want the children to get a good dose of American grown omega 3 and 6. MUCH rather have them get their HFCS, antibiotics, growth hormones and maybe eColi at Mickey D's or any of the other fast food joints.

BTW-If your employer tests for pot, you won't test positive after eating hulled hemp seeds. You won't get high either.

Smoking marijuana is illegal and will get your  freedom, home and all other possessions taken away but polluting the gulf coast and ruining the economy of an already negatively affected area will get you leniancy from the government and many minutes to spin your lies on national television.

I smell chikkin!

Not Chikkin ::O: ::O: ::O:

Well, hopefully the California initiative will pass and show not only the economic benefit of legalization, but also that people smoke, work, pay their taxes and decline a life of crime in the process. 8)

 :-\  i thought that hemp and thc containing marijuana were not the same thing. am i wrong?

(google, here i come...)

We're not allowed to grow hemp, either.  We are allowed to purchase many many things made of or from hemp, but we import it from Canada and China and France.  Boy, are we dumb! ::D:

I was just reading the warnings in a magazine on a LEGAL drug (antidepressant) and along with the usual stuff about suicide and violence and nausea/vomiting/diarrhea/dizziness etc etc, it warned of glaucoma and a rise in the bad cholesterol levels (don't worry - they have other drugs for these side effects.)  The absolute kicker was warning of coma - call your doctor immediately if you experience coma!!

How??

Tell me again why marijuana is illegal? 

Because the drug companies cannot make money, oops, you already knew the answer, lol

You'll have to speak up - I am experiencing coma and palpitations and vertigo.   ::D:

 ;D

 :2013:   and then pass it to my friends here.   :G: :c:

I think we'd have alot less violence in the world if more people smoked. ;)

Quote from: Whoo on June 13, 2010, 07:54:54 AM
I think we'd have alot less violence in the world if more people smoked. ;)

That's one of the keys to the whole problem. A lot of people think that it's pot smokers that kick in doors to get money for a "fix". Anybody that knows ANYTHING about the effects of pot knows that is complete BS. Now...if it's hydrocodone or methamphetamines, that's quite a different story. I've seen people do and say bizzare things and completely turn on their best friends because they're out of chemical drugs. The difference is addiction. Chemical drugs addict and pot doesn't. If pot did, I'd be in rehab a long time ago.

One of the other keys to getting this stuff made legal is to stop using the stereotypical stoner as the model for ALL smokers. Those type of people make up only a small percentge of users and they'd just find something else to modify their brain with if they couldn't get pot. Considering the alternatives, I'd rather that potheads have pot.

Basically, what I'm saying is that I want some REAL education so people aren't going on some lie from the government to form their opinion. The main difference between people that KNOW about marijuana and like to use it and people that want it kept illegal is the users DON'T require that EVERYBODY use it.  ::;:

I've never seen a pot smoker get high and fly into a rage.... forget what i'm talkin about sure.. ;D

Forgetting, rambling on and, slurring and fighting for no real reason can all be had by various forms of alchohol but THAT'S legal. Rampant grinning, munchies and long stories with no end seem to be the worst that pot smokers experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FB--Qq9ynw

I like how the song celebrates both freedom and the use of corn liquor but yet proudly proclaims it's distaste for marijuana. I'm thinking that the residents of Muskogee might not have such a rigid stance against it NOW since OTHER things have obviously changed. Speaking of change...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UNs37r_wLM

I see our intrepid law enforcement has found and destroyed $3,500,000.00 worth of marijuana plants!  What a good idea.  We sure don't need any tax income in this state.  We would just spend it on stupid stuff like health care and the elderly.

The elderly are very expensive.  When are we going to get those Death Panels going?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37824659/

Marijuana spray coming to market? Corporations are coming on board to "make" medicine from weed. Maybe it will help in the legalization

Okay everyone, you're gonna get the same sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach as I did, but I'm woman enough to admit:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20008091-503544.html

Eghads, she actually said something smart!!! :2016:

Hey - note the year of recriminalization, and you know it tokes a while to sink in and make the change to being a law-abiding citizen.  Things about her are making sense to me more and more now. :2017

Quote from: Whoo on June 21, 2010, 07:43:31 PM
Okay everyone, you're gonna get the same sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach as I did, but I'm woman enough to admit:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20008091-503544.html

Eghads, she actually said something smart!!! :2016:

Hey - note the year of recriminalization, and you know it tokes a while to sink in and make the change to being a law-abiding citizen.  Things about her are making sense to me more and more now. :2017

I don't trust that P.R. whore any more than I trust any other neocon. If she proves me nothing more than a skeptic, then I'll make a public apology but I think this is just like Obama's abandonment of much of the left wing. Say it to get elected and then stick it to them again! She can't stay with anything if the heat gets turned up so I doubt that this is anything but a media ploy to get people like us. Sorry Ms. You-Betcha but I ain't falling for it!!

I think a female will be our next great leader but she ain't it!

whoo said "tokes" hyuck hyuck

freudian slip my love? :^D~ lol

Heh-heh, oops  ;D

Yeah, I'm sure the vast majority of the motivation behind her statement was for publicity, pr, and the future votes her party needs.  But it certainly could explain her glazed look and rambling answers to burning questions, bwaaaaa haaaaa haaaa!!!! :2012:

So, now Cuomo says that he smoked pot.  These days in America that is becoming as common as saying you ate lunch today.

Legalize.  Regulate.  TAX.  Why is an American arrested every 37 seconds for possessing a plant as common as sunflowers?  We are burning money at both ends here.

Quote from: Whoo on June 22, 2010, 08:02:46 AM
Heh-heh, oops  ;D

Yeah, I'm sure the vast majority of the motivation behind her statement was for publicity, pr, and the future votes her party needs.  But it certainly could explain her glazed look and rambling answers to burning questions, bwaaaaa haaaaa haaaa!!!! :2012:

.....For a moment there --- I thought you were talking about Nancy Peosi !!!! ---- ::D: ::;:

Well, marijuana is certainly all over the news!  Mario Cuomo says he smoked as a youth, Orin Hatch wants to drug-test people on unemployment (even the folk in the Gulf?  Test BP executives!)

Colorado Springs collected big money on taxes in the first quarter, and Fox is replaying the old canard that the pot of today is twice as strong as the "old" pot.  Didn't these guys ever smoke Thai stick or Acapulco Gold?

Legalize, regulate, TAX!

OK, time to get real here. There is NOTHING out there, including the much heralded hydro, that gets even close to the Vietnamese schwag coming back from southeast Asia in the seventies. Thai stick, Gold and even some good Mexican was better than this dried out crappola that makes up most of the trade today. There ARE some good growers left but the heat is too high to let too many into their fold so....these claims of superpot are quite wrong. Folks...you're being sold a load of BS based on nothing other than "What about the children?" and the tax dollars that pay for all the manpower and machines that relentlessly look for this "demonweed".

If I didn't live in town and close to a school, I could grow some "old school" smoke that would be mellow but frisky!

Yeah, with the exception of hydro (and alot of that wasn't all it was touted to be), pot smokers in Oklahoma haven't smoked really good smoke in decades.  It's all a bunch of hooey from departments who try to protect their budgets at all costs.

I am a bit curious as to the numbers generated by the tax in CO Springs. 

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0810/761721.html

Baby steps but a step in the right direction (DC Mayor setting medical marijuana policy that was blocked for 12 years by Congress).

Progress is just that, but unfortunately, it will take at least another decade before Oklahoma tries to catch up to the rest of the country. ::)

Good ol' red states.   ::) We may not have decent roads and bridges and our classrooms may be crowded but we have a well funded law enforcement crew to keep pot smokers in prison(one of the good money makers for private conservatives but a good money waster for the taxpaying citizens).

I'm ready to go to Colorado and get me a script. I DO have osteoarthritis and major pain in both knees. BTW, I've heard that since Colorado folks no longer need to get smoke from illegal dealers, the dealers are having to go out of state to sell their wares. Seems the War on Drugs just got a more successful competitor!

Well, here we have yet another conundrum:  prisons are full to overflowing with pot smokers whom otherwise would be contributing tax dollars, the dealers are not in said prisons, and "rehabilitation" efforts are failing within those dingy, dreary walls.  OTOH, we have the ability to release said smokers to once again add to the coffers, dealers who could become businessmen/women legitimately, and rehabilitation could focus in on the real problem drugs, like meth, coke, and prescription drugs such as Oxy.  Meanwhile, the plants will keep growing everywhere.  I understand the various drug agencies want to keep their cozy budgets, but when they are even admitting the monies spent on fighting the green war are going up in smoke, they should be backing efforts to decriminalize so they can ask for even more money for fancy gadgets to help them catch big-time drug dealers who sell the hard stuff. >:(

It's a matter of what is easiest to catch, IMO. They can't boast the same numbers if they're only going after dealers who sell oxycontin, zannies and meth. With the exception of meth, the latter two can be concealed easily with no smell to alert the drug dogs. Pot is a stationary drug with a smell and a heat level(from the lights) that are like the Batsignal to law enforcement. It's just easier to catch a pot user or a grower than it is to catch someone selling the REAL drug menaces. Of course, we can't get prescribed drugs off the streets if doctors keep prescribing them to addicts and dealers who spend all day going from one doctor to the next!

Well, I think that's one of the reasons Obama is trying to get the national medical database set up.  Sure, if you're on a trip or have to see a couple of different docs, having your health history readily available is great.  But part of that medical record will also include what medications you are being prescribed, and how often.  I know at OU, the nurses are assigned the task of copying your medication sheets, giving you the copy, and asking you to verify that everything is correct.  You know that info is in their online database.  I also know meds can be tracked by a doctor's DEA #, but it doesn't track the patient, per se.  I also forsee a greater shift toward the utilization of pan management specialists in the future - they make you sign pain contracts. ;)  You blow it, you're red flagged, and that is definitely part of the medical record.

We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee;
We don't take our trips on LSD
We don't burn our draft cards down on Main Street;
We like livin' right, and bein' free.

I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball
We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightnin's still the biggest thrill of all

We don't make a party out of lovin';
We like holdin' hands and pitchin' woo;
We don't let our hair grow long and shaggy,
Like the hippies out in San Francisco do.

And I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball.
We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightnin's still the biggest thrill of all.

Leather boots are still in style for manly footwear;
Beads and Roman sandals won't be seen.
Football's still the roughest thing on campus,
And the kids here still respect the college dean.

We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
In Muskogee, Oklahoma, USA

Ha ha ha!  I love the really old films of him singing that song, with his hat and shoes, and the audience. 

Eons ago, I was working on a case that required me and another person working on it to make a trip to Muskogee to file some stuff at the federal courthouse there.  Both of us had been working on this case virtually round the clock, and we were at a point we were silly from exhaustion.  This was before we hit the road at 4am to be there when the courthouse opened.

Everything was funny to us by this time (odd how a lack of sleep can do that to you).  Naturally, we had to sing the song on the way there, then I surprised my coworker by pulling one out and sparking it up across the street from the courthouse in homage to Mr. Haggard.  Then everything was REALLY funny.  Somehow, we got lost leaving town and got on this one road that had rural route signs on it.  My co-worker, being a lifelong city kid, thought the "RR" stood for Rooster Route because of all the chickens everywhere - priceless!!!! ;D  I let her talk about those Rooster Route signs with people back at the office, didn't correct her on it until everyone else had a good laugh too. ;D

In Muskogee, it might very well have meant Rooster Route. Chickens is money! No chickens, no entertainment, no gamblin' money, no new Wolverines for mama!

Times is changing though. A few years ago when I was going to Muskogee on a regular basis, I saw a goth kid walking down the street WITH PURPLE HAIR! Conservatives are losing the fight, I think!

Was the kid smoking marijuana? ::O:

Stats just out from the FBI reveal 758,593 people were arrested for possession in 2009.  Thank God we don't have any REAL problems we could be spending time and money and prison-space on - we would be in big trouble! 

Naturally our priorities are straight.  Fight the plant invented by Satan.

Well,  did y'all see about the 66 yo woman who was getting high in her car on lunch break?  They got THAT scary criminal off the streets, thank God!!     :2018:

she works at OCCC in the kitchen.

Well, thank god the children are safe! ::D: 

Now we have taken a middle-aged woman out of the work-force,  ended her tax-paying, and put her in jail on our dime.  She was probably only working at the age of 66 because she needed to addict a new generation to the Evil Weed.  Thank god we have ruined her life and ended her time as a tax-payer.  She is evil and I will gladly pay to lock her up and throw away the key.  I know it will be very expensive  but I'm sure it is worth it.  They wouldn't lie to us.  Would they?

Legalize, regulate, sell to adults, tax like cigarettes.  It stops the bleeding at both ends of the equation.

...and in the meantime, legal countries continue to laugh at us. :-[

she worked at francis tuttle, my bad

I was watching Bill Maher last night and one of his guests was Carl Sagan's wife.  I didn't know she was the chief of the NORML board of directors. 8)

Very cool. :8):

Do you ever feel like there are two different Americas?

The more I look around at the way things are, the more I think there's two Americas. Law enforcement can legally knock open my front door, shoot my dog, throw my disabled wife to the floor and stand on my head with a Mossberg riot 12 guage aimed at me....because pot is SUCH an evil "narcotic" that harsh measures are called for when dealing with users. Yeah RIGHT...unless it's Paris Hilton. Hell, it can be addictive cocktails of chemical drugs and as long as the user is Lindsay Lohan and WAS an actress she can disrespect the court, get jail time, get out early, do it again and get out early.  I'm really tired of the media parading both of these chicks around and shoving our noses in the fact that if you have money or can grace a tabloid, you get second, third and fourth chances!  :mad:

I played Tiny Tim in my gradeschool's production of A Christmas Carol. I wonder how those creds work for ME?  ::)

Well, to again reference Bill Maher, he said he just hops on the yacht and goes out into international waters if he wants to throw a party because he wants his guests to feel free to smoke while they joke.  To his credit, he also said in the past there are plenty of reasons (like owning a yacht) the tax breaks on the wealthiest Americans should expire. 

It's really sweet to be rich in America.  For everyone else, it pretty much sucks. 

Hmmm.  Mr. Lohan says Lindsay is out of jail already again because God wanted it that way.  I guess God likes her movies.  Or is it movie?  I don't know.

Quote from: Whoo on September 26, 2010, 08:27:30 AMTo his credit, he also said in the past there are plenty of reasons (like owning a yacht) the tax breaks on the wealthiest Americans should expire.

But....but...if'n we do that, there will be massive unemployment and industry will move overseas!   ::O: :o :confused: ::;:

Well, if pot growing were able to become a legal industry, look at some of the positives:

1.  The jobs would stay in this country; with all of the diverse climates and soils, the US could bcome the top producer of fine alternative smokes.

2.  Employers may even be able to pay pickers less money because the pickers would WANT to stay in their jobs, particularly if they do like some breweries do and let their employees have one or two smokes a day. ;)

3.  Persons with law enforcement backgrounds would still have a job, except they could be protecting the fields instead of burning them. >:(

There are too many really really good uses for this plant.  We live in Opposite Land, where bad is good and good is bad.

Money money money money, MONEY!   :mad:

The Marijuana Plant


The recognizable marijuana leaf with five to seven leaflets attached at a center pointThe history of marijuana use reaches back farther than many would guess. Cultivation of the Cannabis sativa plant dates back thousands of years. The first written account of cannabis cultivation (ostensibly used as medical marijuana) is found in Chinese records dating from 28 B.C. That means Chinese cultures were growing marijuana more than 2,000 years ago. However, the plant may have been cultivated long before then -- there have been reports of a nearly 3,000-year-old Egyptian mummy containing traces of THC, the main psychoactive chemical in marijuana.

Cannabis sativa is perhaps the most recognizable plant in the world. Pictures of the ubiquitous green cannabis leaf show up in the news media, textbooks and drug-prevention literature, and the leaf's shape is made into jewelry, put on bumper stickers and clothing and spray-painted on walls. The leaves are arranged palmately, radiating from a common center like the fingers of a hand spreading apart. Although most people know what the cannabis plant looks like, they may know very little about its horticulture.

Hemp Products

The marijuana plant has many uses. Its stiff, fibrous stalk can be used to make lots of products, from food to ship sails. The stalk is comprised of two parts -- the hurd and the bast. The bast provides fibers that can be woven into many fabrics. These fibers (also called hemp) are woven to create canvas, which has been used to make ship sails for centuries.

The hurd provides pulp to make paper, oil to make paints and varnishes, and seed for food. Marijuana plants produce a high-protein, high-carbohydrate seed that is used in granola and cereals. Hemp oil and seed contain only trace amounts of psychoactive chemicals.

Owning hemp products, such as hemp rope or a hemp shirt, is legal. However, it is illegal to grow or possess marijuana in plant or drug form in the United States. Possession of the cannabis plant or marijuana seeds is punishable by fines and possible jail sentences. ­


­Cannabis sativa is believed to be a native plant of India, where it possibly originated in a region just north of the Himalayan mountains. It's a herbaceous annual that can grow to a height of between 13 and 18 feet (4 to 5.4 meters). The plant has flowers that bloom from late summer to mid-fall. Cannabis plants usually have one of two types of flowers, male or female, and some plants have both. Male flowers grow in elongated clusters along the leaves and turn yellow and die after blossoming. Female flowers grow in spikelike clusters and remain dark green for a month after blossoming, until the seed ripens. Hashish, which is more powerful than marijuana, is made from the resin of the cannabis flowers.

Marijuana plants contain more than 400 chemicals, 60 of which fit into a category called cannabinoids. THC is just one of these cannabinoids, but it's the chemical most often associated with the effects that marijuana has on the brain. Cannabis plants also contain choline, eugenol, guaicacol and piperidine. The concentration of THC and other cannabinoids varies depending on growing conditions, plant genetics and processing after harvest. You'll learn more about the potency of THC and the toxicity of marijuana next.
IT's ben around  ( since\\se GOD! so it can't be all that bad - Oops! so has {{ SATAN }}

I know, from many years of personal experience, that it is NOT a dangerous, addicting narcotic like a lot of opponents to legalization try to convince us. Many people I know lead very productive lives EVEN though they partake on occasion. It's no different than having a couple of glasses of wine after dinner.

I feel that any bad that could come of using this plant comes solely from the user's lack of ambition and refusal to TRY to make good, responsible decisions. This is a problem OF the user and not OF the plant. People that sit around all day getting high will be slackers with or without marijuana. If we are going to protect these people from everything that they could use to affect their brains, we'd have to get rid of everything that can be huffed, drank, snorted, inhaled or injected. That takes in a LOT of everyday items.

Corporate industry has made this plant illegal to avoid competition from a plant that, as Terry has pointed out, has MANY different uses. Cotton is not as strong as hemp AND it depletes the soil of nutrients over time( TheDust Bowl was caused by the constant growing of cotton along with other soil management mistakes). The reason that our government seems to look the other way on the issue of illegal alien workers is the SAME reason that pot is illegal. Agricultural lobbyists protecting their ASSets.

I could go on and on and tie in several other things but I'll stop there.

Still "THE MOST ABUSED 'drug' in this counrty is acohol!  Weed can't hold a candle to it!

I've been to keg parties and to weed parties. The ones where people got hurt, robbed, left for dead or raped ALL had to do with alchohol. The weed parties pretty much centered around listening to music and really getting into what the singer was saying RIGHT before demolishing a bag of Doritos!

I went to a "family" party of bikers at a private acreage in Illinois(near SIU) and there were live bands, great food and all the tops you could ever think of using in 50 gallon barrels around the property. The top brass had automatic weapons but I never even saw even one pulled out. The rules were simple. Have fun but don't f*ck up anybody elses night or you'll wind up in a hole. Alchohol was obviously present but didn't rear it's ugly side at THAT party!

The best part about weed v booze is that while a person drinking can overlook what is a safe limit and get themselves or others in trouble, with a person smoking, they know they can only get so high during their smoking session - after that, it is just a waste of pot.  Or their lungs get trashed and they can't smoke anymore for a while.  But even comparing 2 people under the influences of pot v booze, the pot smoker can still carry on an intelligent conversation, can participate in most activities, etc.  A drunk will just mess things up. ::)

I've done some ("HEY...Watch This!) things and even engaged in violent activities while under the influence of tequila or Rev. Jack Black but the worst I've ever done while high is to eat all the munchies or snore loudly!  No holding up stores for more dope money. One has to awake for those activities!   ::D:

Hamjam & Whoo -- "U" got it exactly right.   And there's millions ( billions ) " OUT THERE " that will agree w/ "U"!  ((( SO ))) it's another gov thing?

QuoteResearch Report Series
Marijuana Abuse
How Does Marijuana Use Affect Your Brain and Body?

Effects on the Brain
As THC enters the brain, it causes the user to feel euphoric—or high—by acting on the brain's reward system, which is made up of regions that govern the response to pleasurable things like sex and chocolate, as well as to most drugs of abuse. THC activates the reward system in the same way that nearly all drugs of abuse do: by stimulating brain cells to release the chemical dopamine.

Along with euphoria, relaxation is another frequently reported effect in human studies. Other effects, which vary dramatically among different users, include heightened sensory perception (e.g., brighter colors), laughter, altered perception of time, and increased appetite. After a while, the euphoria subsides, and the user may feel sleepy or depressed. Occasionally, marijuana use may produce anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.

Marijuana users who have taken large doses of the drug may experience an acute psychosis, which includes hallucinations, delusions, and a loss of the sense of personal identity.
Marijuana use impairs a person's ability to form new memories (see "Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus") and to shift focus. THC also disrupts coordination and balance by binding to receptors in the cerebellum and basal ganglia—parts of the brain that regulate balance, posture, coordination, and reaction time. Therefore, learning, doing complicated tasks, participating in athletics, and driving are also affected.

Marijuana users who have taken large doses of the drug may experience an acute psychosis, which includes hallucinations, delusions, and a loss of the sense of personal identity. Although the specific causes of these symptoms remain unknown, they appear to occur more frequently when a high dose of cannabis is consumed in food or drink rather than smoked. Such short-term psychotic reactions to high concentrations of THC are distinct from longer-lasting, schizophrenia-like disorders that have been associated with the use of cannabis in vulnerable individuals. (See "Is There a Link Between Marijuana Use and Mental Illness?")

Our understanding of marijuana's long-term brain effects is limited. Research findings on how chronic cannabis use affects brain structure, for example, have been inconsistent. It may be that the effects are too subtle for reliable detection by current techniques. A similar challenge arises in studies of the effects of chronic marijuana use on brain function. Although imaging studies (functional MRI; fMRI) in chronic users do show some consistent alterations, the relation of these changes to cognitive functioning is less clear. This uncertainty may stem from confounding factors such as other drug use, residual drug effects (which can occur for at least 24 hours in chronic users), or withdrawal symptoms in long-term chronic users.

Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus

Memory impairment from marijuana use occurs because THC alters how information is processed in the hippocampus, a brain area responsible for memory formation.


Distribution of cannabinoid receptors in the rat brain. Brain image reveals high levels (shown in orange and yellow) of cannabinoid receptors in many areas, including the cortex, hippocampus, cerebellum, and nucleus accumbens (ventral striatum).
Most of the evidence supporting this assertion comes from animal studies. For example, rats exposed to THC in utero, soon after birth, or during adolescence, show notable problems with specific learning/memory tasks later in life. Moreover, cognitive impairment in adult rats is associated with structural and functional changes in the hippocampus from THC exposure during adolescence.

As people age, they lose neurons in the hippocampus, which decreases their ability to learn new information. Chronic THC exposure may hasten age-related loss of hippocampal neurons. In one study, rats exposed to THC every day for 8 months (approximately 30 percent of their life-span) showed a level of nerve cell loss (at 11 to 12 months of age) that equaled that of unexposed animals twice their age.

An enduring question in the field is whether individuals who quit marijuana, even after long-term, heavy use, can recover some of their cognitive abilities. One study reports that the ability of long-term heavy marijuana users to recall words from a list was still impaired 1 week after they quit using, but returned to normal by 4 weeks. However, another study found that marijuana's effects on the brain can build up and deteriorate critical life skills over time. Such effects may be worse in those with other mental disorders, or simply by virtue of the normal aging process.

Effects on General Physical Health
Within a few minutes after inhaling marijuana smoke, an individual's heart rate speeds up, the bronchial passages relax and become enlarged, and blood vessels in the eyes expand, making the eyes look red. The heart rate—normally 70 to 80 beats per minute—may increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, or may even double in some cases. Taking other drugs with marijuana can amplify this effect.

Limited evidence suggests that a person's risk of heart attack during the first hour after smoking marijuana is four times his or her usual risk. This observation could be partly explained by marijuana raising blood pressure (in some cases) and heart rate and reducing the blood's capacity to carry oxygen. Such possibilities need to be examined more closely, particularly since current marijuana users include adults from the baby boomer generation, who may have other cardiovascular risks that may increase their vulnerability.

Consequences of Marijuana Abuse

Acute (present during intoxication)
Impairs short-term memory
Impairs attention, judgment, and other cognitive functions
Impairs coordination and balance
Increases heart rate
Psychotic episodes
Persistent (lasting longer than intoxication, but may not be permanent)
Impairs memory and learning skills
Sleep impairment
Long-term (cumulative effects of chronic abuse)
Can lead to addiction
Increases risk of chronic cough, bronchitis
Increases risk of schizophrenia in vulnerable individuals
May increase risk of anxiety, depression, and amotivational syndrome*
* These are often reported co-occurring symptoms/disorders with chronic marijuana use. However, research has not yet determined whether marijuana is causal or just associated with these mental problems.

The smoke of marijuana, like that of tobacco, consists of a toxic mixture of gases and particulates, many of which are known to be harmful to the lungs. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illnesses, and a greater risk of lung infections. Even infrequent marijuana use can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. One study found that extra sick days used by frequent marijuana smokers were often because of respiratory illnesses (Polen et al. 1993).

In addition, marijuana has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens—up to 70 percent more than tobacco smoke. It also induces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their cancer-causing form, which could accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells. And since marijuana smokers generally inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers, the lungs are exposed longer to carcinogenic smoke. However, while several lines of evidence have suggested that marijuana use may lead to lung cancer, the supporting evidence is inconclusive (Hashibe et al. 2006). The presence of an unidentified active ingredient in cannabis smoke having protective properties—if corroborated and properly characterized—could help explain the inconsistencies and modest findings.

   Within a few minutes after inhaling marijuana smoke, an individual's heart rate speeds up, the bronchial passages relax and become enlarged, and blood vessels in the eyes expand, making the eyes look red.
A significant body of research demonstrates negative effects of THC on the function of various immune cells, both in vitro in cells and in vivo with test animals. However, no studies to date connect marijuana's suspected immune system suppression with greater incidence of infections or immune disorders in humans. One short (3-week) study found marijuana smoking to be associated with a few statistically significant negative effects on the immune function of AIDS patients; a second small study of college students also suggested the possibility of marijuana having adverse effects on immune system functioning. Thus, the combined evidence from animal studies plus the limited human data available, seem to warrant additional research on the impact of marijuana on the immune system. (See "The Science of Medical Marijuana")

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Quote from: Terry on October 02, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
Hamjam & Whoo -- "U" got it exactly right.   And there's millions ( billions ) " OUT THERE " that will agree w/ "U"!  ((( SO ))) it's another gov thing?

Since our government is so linked with big business via lobbyists....YES, it's a government thang. Bullsh!t raining down but with an official seal. Same reason that our industrial meat packers get away with killing people with e-coli that was "created" by their assembly line methods. Same reason that the only flight allowed after 9/11 was for the bin Laden family....the business partner of Bush Sr., Bush Jr. and Cheney. There are also some Dems but I forget who and how much.

Cotton is good but NOT as good as hemp. Certain industries are making sure that we have to import our hemp from Canada so as not to make things rough on them! Also, hemp seeds have Omega 3 and 6. More than fish and WAY safer since we're getting our fish from the Somali area of Africa. Same place where certain countries are dumping nuclear waste and other toxic crap.

QuotePosted by: Sir Jeffrey
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http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/marijuana/marijuana3.html

 ::;: Mr. Willy

I find any government study on the subject highly suspect.  If we can't get our national security intelligence right, I doubt they can get this right as well.  Who puts up the money for these studies?  It's not just that studies are ran, but who funds them as well.  I do mean besides being under the umbrella of the Dept. of Health... there's more behind them, people (like drug companies) who help underwrite the studies.

So, yesterday there were 48 arrests in Dallas before the Bedlam game.  Of those 48, only one arrest was for MJ possession.  The remainder were a result of drunken brawls.  Hmmmmm.

QuoteThe case against legalizing marijuana in California

Edwin Meese III
is a former attorney general of the United States and chairman of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Legal and Judicial Studies

Charles Stimson

is a senior legal fellow at Heritage and author of Legalizing Marijuana: Why Citizens Should Just Say No

Advocates of legalizing marijuana have been blowing a lot of smoke in the debate over California's Proposition 19.

For starters, there's the fiction that marijuana is no different from alcohol. Indeed, the difference in health effects is striking.

The benefits of moderate alcohol consumption - reduced risk of heart disease, stroke, gallstones, diabetes, and death from a heart attack - are well-documented. There's even evidence that alcohol helps keep the mind sharp as one ages.

No one has ever associated pot consumption with mental acuity. Quite the opposite: Marijuana use has been shown to impair memory and inhibit learning ability. Among students, marijuana use is strongly associated with lower test scores and lower educational attainment. Chemically, marijuana is more like "harder" drugs - cocaine, heroin, speed, and the psychedelics - than a glass of wine or a cocktail. One study found that extended use may even lead to psychosis.

There are physical effects, too. Lung researchers report that smoking a couple of joints does more damage than a whole pack of Marlboros, and contains toxic compounds like ammonia and hydrogen cyanide. For many, pot is addictive. A study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that more than 30 percent of pot smokers were dependent on the drug to the point of demonstrating signs of withdrawal and compulsive behavior. Reports from drug-abuse help lines and treatment facilities show that marijuana addiction is a major problem.

Negative social effects abound as well. Take crime. Amsterdam shows what happens when marijuana is available, legally and in abundance. Amsterdam is one of Europe's most violent cities, and Dutch officials pin the blame on their liberal drug policies. A report by four government ministries finds that drug-related crime places a heavy burden on local authorities and that criminal organizations are increasingly muscling their way into the drug market, using it as a base for international operations.

As California debates legalization, Dutch officials are retooling their laws and shutting down marijuana dispensaries "to tackle the nuisance associated with them and manage crime risks more effectively."

Legalization hasn't helped the Dutch keep marijuana from minors either. Marijuana use is higher among children there than anywhere else in Europe.

Legalization also alters social norms. More Dutch children smoke pot because the social stigma against it has dissipated. The same thing will happen in California if Prop 19 is passed next month.

Prop 19 pushers argue that by taxing and regulating marijuana, the state will reap a tax windfall. But the act would let every landowner grow enough marijuana to produce 24,000 to 240,000 joints a year for "personal consumption." Who would pay the $50-per-ounce tax on marijuana (a 100 percent tax) when he could grow it himself or buy some (illegally) from a neighbor.

Regular tobacco does not carry its economic weight. In 2007, the government collected $25 billion in tobacco taxes but spent more than $200 billion per year to cover health and other tobacco-related costs. It is the same with alcohol: In 2007, governments collected $14 billion in alcohol taxes but spent $185 billion to cover health, crime, and other alcohol-related costs. The economics of legalized marijuana will be no different, and perhaps worse.

Then there are the practical problems of Prop 19. Homeowners growing pot in their backyards will become targets for pot thieves and attendant crime, just as areas immediately around medical-marijuana dispensaries have already experienced an uptick in crime. And there remains the very real fact that possession, cultivation, and consumption of marijuana are still crimes under federal law - an inconvenient truth the act simply ignores. What are federal law enforcement officers to do?

Legalizing marijuana would serve little purpose other than to worsen the state's drug problems - addiction, violence, disorder, and death. Nor will such legalization produce a tax windfall for the state; rather, it will end up costing Californians billions in increased social costs.

Sound public policy should be based on facts, not smoke.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/currents/20101003_The_case_against_legalizing_marijuana_in_California.html

Mr. Willy, I suspect that you know nothing about marijuana except for what you're told by souces such as Mr. Stimpson.  If pot were addictive, I would be addicted now. I am not. Actually, Dr. Pepper is physically addictive but we don't hear of any groups crying about that, do we?

If a side effect of pot were violence, Willie Nelson concerts would be a bloodbath.

As far as mental accuity goes...have you met my wife? She wizzed through college classes to the point that there were professors asking that she take their class. She was a regular smoker at the time.

The health argument against is also false. There are a number of reports from independant labs showing a reversal in some forms of cancer after the patient smoked or ate pot. My wife was supposed to die in the early nineties from breast cancer. She opted out of the normal regimen of chemo and radiation and instead chose to go home to the east coast. We took a bag of pot with us and we lived by the ocean for three months. When we returned from there, she was cancer free and NOT DEAD.

Children are a totally different story. I in no way condone children smoking pot EXCEPT for rare medical conditions. Minds are developing and need nothing that may modify or mutate their ability to think and retain knowledge. I DID know of a boy back in high school that had a neurological problem that caused him to shake uncontrollably making writing and speech VERY difficult. If he had a couple of puffs off a marijuana "joint", he would stop shaking for a while but still be able to function in school. The last that I heard of him, he was given a prescribed medication for the problem that caused


The big difference between the supporters of pot legalization and the opponents is that the supporters don't mind at all if you don't want to smoke. Many opponents can't claim that.  They're totally alright with a person losing everything and going to prison for possession.

One last thing...if you know of a stereotypical pothead that just wastes their life getting high, they would be a slacker anyway with whatever they can get their hands on be it alchohol, chemicals or daytime television. Some people are just lazy.

The Heritage Foundation??? ::D:  Edwin Meese??? ::D:

Tell me why marijuana is illegal.  Then maybe we can talk about stuff.

QuoteMr. Willy, I suspect that you know nothing about marijuana

Hammondjam i had a nephew that committed suicide at the age of 30 and a niece that attempted the same thing twice,also in another two weeks another niece  gets out of prison and all of these problems came from the use of  marijuana.

so  hammondjam i think that i do know some FACTS about marijuana and i challenge you to prove that all these health argument against  is also false, where do you get your information, i haven't seen any yet, :)

Of course you know something but what you're going on is the same tired old myths that opponents have been using for decades. If you look hard enough, there will be something about marijuana causing black men to want white women. Believe me, I've seen it in print. 

I will say that in almost 37 years of using the plant, I've NEVER seen a person become suicidally depressed from it. I HAVE seen peope emotionally on the skids that used it and calmed down enough to function. I can see where it might NOT be good for some cases of emotional or mental illness since it may react negatively with medications but the illness exists seperate from the use. As far as incarceration goes, if the laws were the way I want them, your niece wouldn't have even been arrested.

I want it legal for people like me to purchase and use a substance that brings me happiness. BTW, I've been to a doctor twice in twenty years and it was for work related lacerations both times AND I passed the urine test! No lung ailments here!

I AM NOT saying that EVERYBODY should use it. I think wine should remain legal although I rarely drink it. I don't see a reason for energy drinks but I'm not calling for users and distributors to be incarcerated for it. They artificially stimulate the mind and body so what is the difference.

We have several pages of stats showing the pros of marijuana use and the debunking of health threat BS but in my experiences arguing with people set in their opinion, it does nothing except waste my time and yours. BTW, since I KNOW that much of your proof is false, I can only say that you've failed to show me credible evidence that marijuana is all things bad. Not all experts ARE!

The opponents that so vehomently hate the idea of legalization should be warned that more and more states are seeing the financial upside to legalizing this substance for medical use. It won't be long before the veil is torn off and everybody will see that all the fuss is just a carefully constructed plan to get rid of corporate competition and to keep law enforcement budgets full of money.  Make a monster, promote it well and THEY will believe it.   :8):

QuoteEvidence has recently emerged that some people's genetic make-up, or family history, may
predispose them to be particularly vulnerable to the effects of marijuana on mental health,
specifically schizophrenia
Genetic Predisposition/VulneraBility
• A 2006 review of six longitudinal studies
in five countries found that cannabis use
precipitates schizophrenia in individuals
who are vulnerable because of a personal
or family history of schizophrenia.
(Degenhardt, 2006)
• A major study out of the Netherlands
concluded that use of the drug
"moderately increases" the risk of
psychotic symptoms in young people
but has "a much stronger effect" in
those with evidence of predisposition.
(van Os, 2005)
• A study published in Biological Psychiatry
found that as many as one in four people
may have a genetic profile that makes
marijuana five times more likely to trigger
psychotic disorders. (Caspi, 2005)
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Beautrais, AL et al. Cannabis use and serious suicide attempts. Addiction, 94:1155-1164, 1999.
This study examined the relationship between cannabis abuse/dependence and risk of medically serious
suicide attempts among 302 individuals attempting suicide and 1,028 random controls and found that
marijuana use may be connected to the risk of a serious suicide attempt.
Bovasso, GB. Cannabis abuse as a risk factor for depressive symptoms. The American Journal of
Psychiatry, 158:2033-2037, 2001.
This study sought to estimate the degree to which cannabis abuse is a risk factor for depressive
symptoms rather than an effort to self-medicate. Over a 14- to 16-year period, the study found that
people who were not depressed and used marijuana at the beginning of the study were four times
more likely to suffer from depression at follow up. Those who were depressed but did not use
marijuana at the beginning of the study were no more likely to use it at follow up.
Brook, JS et al. The effect of early marijuana use on later anxiety and depressive symptoms. NYS
Psychologist: 35-40, 2001.
This longitudinal study of 2,226 Colombian adolescents found a clear connection between marijuana
use and elevated levels of anxiety and depression. Marijuana use, especially during early adolescence,
can predict late adolescent distress.
Brook, DW et al. Drug use and the risk of major depressive disorder, alcohol dependence, and
substance use disorders. Archives of General Psychiatry, 59:1039-1044, 2002.
This longitudinal research of comorbid disorders found that early marijuana use during childhood
and adolescence increased the risk of major depression 17 percent. This study called attention to the
importance of the psychiatric implications of early drug use.
Fergusson, DM et al. Cannabis use and psychosocial adjustment in adolescence and young
adulthood. Addiction 97:1123-1135, 2002.
This study of 1,265 New Zealand children over a 21-year period found that marijuana use, particularly
heavy or regular use, was associated with later increases in depression, suicidal thought, and
suicide attempts.
Greenblatt, J. Adolescent self-reported behaviors and their association with marijuana use.
Based on data from the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse, 1994-1996, SAMSHA, 1998.
This research shows that kids age 12 to 17 who smoke marijuana weekly are three times more likely
than non-users to have thoughts about committing suicide.
BiBLIOGRAPHY OF RECENT DEpression and SuICIDE RESEARCH
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Hayatbakhsh, MR et al. Cannabis and anxiety and depression in young adults: a large
prospective study. Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry,
46(3):408-17, 2007.
This study followed 3,239 Australian young adults from birth to age 21 and found a relationship
between early initiation (before age 15) and frequent use of cannabis and symptoms of anxiety and
depression regardless of a family or personal history of mental illness. This study found that frequent
cannabis use is associated with increased anxiety and depression in young adults independent of
whether the person also uses other illicit drugs.
Lynskey, M et al. Major depressive disorder, suicidal ideation, and suicide attempt in twins
discordant for cannabis dependence and early-onset cannabis use. Archives of General
Psychiatry, 61:1026-1032, 2004.
This study looked at 600 same-sex twins, one of whom was dependent upon marijuana and one of
whom was not. It found that the twin who was dependent on marijuana was almost three times more
likely to think about suicide and attempt suicide than his/her non-marijuana dependent co-twin. Additionally,
cannabis dependence was associated with higher risk of major depressive disorder in fraternal
but not in identical twins.
Maharajh, HD et al. Cannabis and suicidal behaviour among adolescents: a pilot study from
Trinidad. The Scientific World Journal, 5:576-85, 2005.
This study found that depressive and psychotic experiences were common in adolescent cannabis users.
The findings suggest that there is a convincing relationship between suicidal behavior and cannabis
use, the latter awakening depressive experiences.
Patton, GC et al. Cannabis use and mental health in young people: cohort study. British Medical
Journal, 325:1195-1198, 2002.
In this study, daily use of marijuana among girls increased the risk of depression five times. Weekly or
more frequent marijuana use in teenagers doubled the risk of depression and anxiety.
Ramstrom, J. Adverse Health Consequences of Cannabis Use: A survey of scientific studies published
up to and including the autumn of 2003. National Institute of Public Health, Sweden, 2004.
This is an extensive literature review of studies conducted worldwide on the detrimental effects of
marijuana. It is an update of a review initially published in 1996 and covers studies through the fall of
2003. It finds a link between marijuana and depression and suicidal tendencies. The author points out
that there is a growing body of evidence to support the claim that cannabis can provoke schizophrenia.
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Raphael, B et al. Comorbidity: cannabis and complexity. Journal of Psychiatric Practice,
11(3):161-76, 2005.
This article demonstrates strong support for a link between cannabis and the development and
exacerbation of psychosis and other mental health conditions, particularly anxiety and depression.
Mental Health Council of Australia, Where there's smoke ... Cannabis and Mental Health.
MHCA, 2006.
This report from the Mental Health Council of Australia, which is an analysis of years of research on
marijuana and mental health, concludes that there does seem to be a link between early and regular
cannabis use and later depression.
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Andreasson, S et al. Cannabis and schizophrenia: A longitudinal study of Swedish conscripts.
Lancet, 26:1483-1486, 1987.
This groundbreaking study of 45,000 Swedish male conscripts (representing 97 percent of men age
18-20 in the population at that time) and a 15-year follow up found that heavy use of marijuana at
age 18 increased the risk of schizophrenia later in life by six times. This research demonstrated that
cannabis use is an independent risk factor for schizophrenia, regardless of other psychiatric illness or
social background.
Barnes, TR et al. Comorbid substance use and age at onset of schizophrenia. The British Journal
of Psychiatry, 188:237-42, 2006.
This study focuses on the strong association between cannabis use and earlier onset of psychosis. The
study provides further evidence that schizophrenia may be precipitated by cannabis use and/or that the
early onset of symptoms is a risk factor for cannabis use.
Zammit, S et al. Self-reported cannabis use as a risk factor for schizophrenia in Swedish
conscripts of 1969: historical cohort study. British Medical Journal, 325:1199-1201, 2002.
This report, a re-analysis of the Andreasson research (above), found that heavy marijuana users were
6.7 times more likely than non-users to be diagnosed with schizophrenia later in life. This was true for
those who used marijuana only, as opposed to other drugs. The authors concluded that the findings are
consistent with a causal relationship between cannabis use and schizophrenia and that self-medication
with cannabis was an unlikely explanation for the association observed.
Arseneault L, et al. Cannabis use in adolescence and risk for adult psychosis: longitudinal
prospective study. British Medical Journal, 325:1212-1213, 2002.
This longitudinal study agreed with the Andreasson results (above) and added new evidence: there is
an increased risk of developing schizophrenia as a result of marijuana use, even among people with no
prior history of a disorder, and that the earlier the use of marijuana (age 15 vs. age 18), the greater the
risk of schizophrenia.
Arsenault L, et al. Causal association between cannabis and psychosis: examination of the
evidence. British Journal of Psychiatry, 184:110-117, 2004.
This review of five studies from the United States, Europe, and Australia found that all available
population-based studies have concluded that cannabis use is associated with later schizophrenia
outcomes and that cannabis use is a component cause of a variety of factors that lead to onset
of schizophrenia.
BIBLIOGRAPHY OF RECENT SCHIZOPHRENIA RESEARCH
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Caspi A, et al. Moderation of the effect of adolescent-onset cannabis use on adult psychosis by
a functional polymorphism in the catechol-o-methyltransferase gene: Longitudinal evidence of a
gene X environment interaction. Biological Psychiatry (Article in press).
This study found that people with a certain genetic profile are five times more susceptible to psychotic
disorders as a result of regular marijuana use than those without the profile.
Curtis, L et al. Cannabis and psychosis. Revue Médicale Suisse, 2(79):2099-100, 2102-3, 2006.
This article discusses links between psychotic patients using cannabis and the negative effects of use,
as well as the growing evidence that cannabis may cause psychosis in healthy individuals. It adds that
many studies show a robust and consistent association between cannabis consumption and the later
development of psychosis.
Dean, B et al. Studies on [3H]CP-55940 binding in the human central nervous system: regional
specific changes in density of cannabinoid-1 receptors associated with schizophrenia and
cannabis use. Neuroscience, 103:9-15, 2001.
This study presented the first direct evidence that people with a predisposition for schizophrenia or
other mental disorders are particularly vulnerable to the negative effects of marijuana on mental health.
It showed that marijuana affects parts of the brain that are very closely related to those that may be
responsible for schizophrenia.
Degenhardt, L et al. Is cannabis use a contributory cause of psychosis? Canadian Journal of
Psychiatry, 51(9):556-65, 2006.
This review of six longitudinal studies in five countries found that it is plausible that among adolescents
and young adults cannabis use precipitates schizophrenia in individuals who are vulnerable because of
a personal or family history of schizophrenia.
Drewe, M et al. Cannabis and risk of psychosis. Swiss Medical Weekly, 134:659-663, 2004.
This literature review concludes that marijuana use is connected with schizophrenia and depression
and drew the following conclusions: Cannabis consumption affects dopamine concentrations in the
brain and can induce or modulate the development of psychotic symptoms, including schizophrenia,
and that young age of cannabis use is an additional risk factor for psychosis. Cannabis consumption
can also lead to other psychiatric disorders, including depression and cognitive disturbances.
Ferdinand, RF et al. Cannabis--psychosis pathway independent of other types of
psychopathology. Schizophrenia Research, 79(2-3):289-95, 2005.
This study finds that the link between cannabis use and psychotic symptoms is independent of the
earlier presence of other types of psychological disorders. The study states that cannabis use seems to
be a specific risk factor for future psychotic symptoms in vulnerable individuals.
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Fergusson, DM et al. Cannabis dependence and psychotic symptoms in young people.
Psychological Medicine, 33:15-21, 2003.
This 21-year longitudinal study found that heavy use of marijuana may lead to increased rates of
psychotic symptoms in young people even when pre-existing symptoms and other background factors
are taken into account. The authors say that heavy cannabis use may make a causal contribution to the
development of symptoms.
Fergusson, DM et al. Tests of causal linkages between cannabis use and psychotic symptoms.
Addiction, 100, 3:354-366, 2005.
This is one of the most recent pieces of research on the possible causal linkages between cannabis
use and psychosis, using data gathered over a 25-year longitudinal study. Results suggest that regular
use of marijuana may double the risk of developing psychotic symptoms and that marijuana causes
chemical changes to the brain. The study maintains that smoking marijuana causes psychosis even
when other factors are taken into consideration.
Hall, W. Is cannabis use psychotogenic? Lancet, 367(9506):193-5, 2006.
This article states that four of five recent reviews on cannabis and psychosis conclude that cannabis
use directly contributes to psychosis. Hall states that it seems most likely that cannabis exacerbates
psychotic disorders in individuals who have a family history of psychosis.
Hall, W. The mental health risks of adolescent cannabis use. Public Library of Science Medicine,
3(2):e39, 2006.
The paper states that vulnerable adolescents who use cannabis more often than weekly, most likely
increase their risk of experiencing psychotic symptoms and developing psychosis.
Henquet, C et al. The environment and schizophrenia: the role of cannabis use. Schizophrenia
Bulletin, 31(3):608-12, 2005.
This meta-analysis discusses the link between cannabis use and an increased probability of psychotic
episodes with individuals who have a preexisting liability. The findings suggest that cannabis is a
component cause in the development and prognosis of psychosis.
Kumra, S. Schizophrenia and cannabis use. Minnesota Medicine, 90(1):36-8, 2007.
This article discusses new brain-scanning techniques that have identified abnormalities in
schizophrenics. The author concludes that you would find the same abnormalities in frequent
adolescent cannabis users similar to those of adolescents with schizophrenia. These defects are in
a part of the brain still developing during adolescence and associated with emotion and other higher
cognitive functions such as language, perception, creativity, and problem-solving.
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Mattick, RP et al. Cannabis and psychosis put in perspective. Canadian Journal of Psychiatry,
51(9):554-5, 2006.
This literature review of the relation between cannabis use and psychosis found that if an individual is
prone to serious psychotic illness, the use of cannabis may trigger an episode.
Moore, T et al. Cannabis use and risk of psychotic or affective mental health outcomes: a
systemic review. The Lancet, Vol. 370: 319-328, 2007.
This qualitative review of 35 longitudinal studies found that marijuana use increases the risk of
developing a psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia, by 40 percent, compared to non-users. This risk
is doubled for frequent or heavy marijuana users, compared to non-users. The authors conclude that
"there is now sufficient evidence to warn young people that using cannabis could increase their risk of
developing a psychotic illness later in life."
O'Brien, S et al. Mental health and adolescent cannabis use. National Drug and Alcohol Research
Centre, University of New South Wales for the New South Wales Department of Education and
Training, 2005.
This Australian government study concludes that evidence increasingly suggests regular cannabis use
is a risk-factor for psychological problems in adolescents who are at risk for other reasons before they
use cannabis.
Rey, J. Does marijuana contribute to psychotic illness? Current Psychiatry, Vol. 6, No. 2, 2007.
This review found growing evidence that marijuana use can cause acute psychosis, as well as
increasing the likelihood of an early, first schizophrenic episode. It also concludes that marijuana use
would worsen the prognosis of patients with psychotic disorders.
Rey, J and Tennant, C. Cannabis and mental health: more evidence establishes a clear link
between use of cannabis and psychiatric illness. (Editorial). British Medical Journal, 325:1183-
1184, 2002.
This editorial examines the growing body of scientific evidence supporting the link between marijuana
use and mental illness. The findings strengthen the argument that cannabis use increases the risk of
schizophrenia and depression, and they provide little support for the belief that the association between
marijuana use and mental health problems is largely due to self-medication.
Rey, J et al. Is the party over? Cannabis and juvenile psychiatric disorder: The past 10 Years.
Journal of the Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, 43:1194-1205, October 2004.
This review of literature from the past decade concludes that the weight of the evidence points to
regular and early marijuana use associated with later increases in depression, suicidal behavior, and
schizophrenia.
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Semple, D et al. Cannabis as a risk factor for psychosis: systematic review. Journal of
Psychopharmacology, 19:187-194, 2005.
This is a literature review of studies published between 1966 and 2004 examining marijuana as
an independent risk factor for schizophrenia, psychosis or psychotic symptoms. It concludes that
the available evidence supports the hypothesis that cannabis is an independent risk factor, both for
psychosis and the development of psychotic symptoms.
Smit, F et al. Cannabis use and the risk of later schizophrenia; a review. Addiction 99 (4):425-
431, 2004.
This review of five major studies concludes that marijuana use appears to act as a risk factor in the
onset of schizophrenia. This is especially true for people vulnerable to schizophrenia but is also true for
people without a prior history of mental problems. It dismisses the hypothesis that using marijuana is
self-medicating and points to a causal link.
Solowij, N et al. Cannabis and cognitive dysfunction: parallels with endophenotypes of
schizophrenia? Journal of Psychiatry & Neuroscience, 32(1):30-52, 2007.
This review paper found that the same areas of the brain that show cognitive dysfunction, or problems
in thinking and reasoning, are similar among heavy or long-term marijuana users and schizophrenics.
The authors point to the multitude of evidence of the potential for cannabis use to trigger onset of
psychosis in vulnerable individuals, and the exacerbation of problems in schizophrenic patients.
Stefanis, NC et al. Early adolescent cannabis exposure and positive and negative dimensions of
psychosis. Addiction, 99:1333-1341, 2004.
This study of 3,500 19-year-olds in Greece found that marijuana use, especially at a young age,
contributes to psychotic symptoms. It reports that there are very high risks in individuals using in early
adolescence, particularly below age 16.
van Os, J et al. Prospective cohort study of cannabis use, predisposition for psychosis, and
psychotic symptoms in young people. British Medical Journal, 330:11-, 2005.
This analysis of 2,437 young people found that marijuana use moderately increases the risk of
psychotic symptoms. The risk for those with a predisposition for psychosis was much higher.
van Os, J et al. Cannabis use and psychosis: a longitudinal population-based study. American
Journal of Epidemiology, 156:319-327, 2002.
The research confirms previous suggestions that cannabis use increases the risk of psychotic disorders
in people without a predisposition, and a poor prognosis for those with an established vulnerability.
Veen, N et al. Cannabis use and age at onset of schizophrenia. The American Journal of
Psychiatry, 161:501-506, 2004.
This study found that men with a history of marijuana use experienced their first psychotic episode at a
significantly younger age than those with no such history.
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Verdoux, H et al. Effects of cannabis and psychosis vulnerability in daily life: an experience
sampling test study. Psychological Medicine, 33:23-32, 2003.
This study of undergraduate students in France refutes the idea that people with psychotic symptoms
self-medicate with marijuana. It found that people who are vulnerable to psychosis are more
susceptible to the detrimental effects of marijuana than those without a predisposition. The authors
conclude that "The public health impact of the widespread use of cannabis may be considerable."
Mental Health Council of Australia. Where there's smoke ... Cannabis and Mental Health.
MHCA, 2006.
The study concludes that there is consistent evidence from several large and well-designed
longitudinal studies that cannabis precipitates schizophrenia in people who are vulnerable
because of a personal or family history of schizophrenia.

http://www.theantidrug.com/pdfs/MARIJUANA_AND_MENTAL.pdf

QuoteWe have several pages of stats showing the pros of marijuana use and the debunking of health threat BS

If you have them where are they, post them  ;D

I sure saw the words adolescents, teenagers and predisposed/family history a lot in those summations.  We are not discussing adolescents or teenagers.

Psychiatrists and the government have a vested interest in keeping marijuana illegal so I can't trust those sources, sorry.

So, why is marijuana illegal?

QuotePsychiatrists and the government have a vested interest in keeping marijuana illegal so I can't trust those sources, sorry.

QuoteWe have several pages of stats showing the pros of marijuana use and the debunking of health threat BS

QuoteIf you have them where are they, post them   ;D

I'M STILL WAITING

I believe I asked you first. :smile:

Willy supports tobacco companys by smoking 3 packs/day, but he puts down marijuana what a hyocrite - [
person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess
    Marijuana has never in my experiences caused any problems (( LIKE )) alcohol, drugs, 'anger', mental problems {willys' family}, greed, covetous, jealousyyyyyy & "SO" ooooooooooon!
    It does give 'me' the  "munchies" like crazy!!  *&*, it taste soooooooooo! good!

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Willy enjoying his " favorite " addictive " drug!!!!

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Psychiatrists and the government have a vested interest in keeping marijuana illegal so I can't trust those sources, sorry.

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We have several pages of stats showing the pros of marijuana use and the debunking of health threat BS

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If you have them where are they, post them   

I'M STILL WAITING

Quote from: Terry on October 03, 2010, 05:31:33 PM
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Willy enjoying his " favorite " addictive " drug!!!!

"WILLYS"  waiting (http://serve.mysmiley.net/cool/cool0044.gif)  (http://serve.mysmiley.net/cool/cool0044.gif)  (http://serve.mysmiley.net/cool/cool0044.gif)

Well, I hope while he is waiting he will find out why marijuana is illegal and tell me, because I asked first!

* " U " * got a long wait my friend!

Will while I'm waiting here is some more information. ;D

QuoteTitle:   Marijuana: Health Effects
Author:   Jim Parker
Publisher:   Do It Now Foundation
Publication Date:   January 2010
Catalog Number:   126

..Fact Attack

One problem in sorting out fact from fiction about marijuana is that the "facts" keep changing into fictions.

Need some examples? Try these:

In the 1930's, a "fact" everyone knew (or thought they did) was that pot was the dreaded "assassin of youth," a one-way ticket to a life of crime, madness, and despair.
By the '60s, that "fact" morphed into a brand-new, mirror-image "fact." Now pot was seen only as a "harmless giggle," maybe not actually good for you, but at least it didn't do any real  harm -- like such legal drugs as alcohol and tobacco.
In the '80s, things started changing again. Conservatism was cool again (to some), and a whole new set of "facts" was produced to justify a nationwide campaign against a born-again "assassin of youth."
Today, the facts about marijuana are changing again.

It's not that there aren't still a lot of opinions out there, masquerading as facts. It's just that a growing body of scientific research is out there, too, and it's gradually starting to squeeze out all the fake little "facts" that have confused the issue for so long.

It's a good thing, too. Because a lot of the new facts really are facts, this time around. And they're worth thinking about if you're thinking about -- or on -- pot.


..What's new about marijuana today?

A lot. But quite a bit has stayed the same.

Because even though people have been using the marijuana (or hemp) plant, Cannabis sativa, in medicine and manufacturing for at least 5,000 years, it's better known for its recreational drug uses. Nothing new about that.

Not much new in another fact, either: Pot is still the most-used illegal drug in America. More than 102 million Americans have tried it, according to a recent national survey, and some 16.5 million smoke it regularly.

What they keep coming back to is a swirl of sensation and fog of intoxication that the drug sets in motion.

When it's smoked or eaten, marijuana triggers a mild euphoria and increased sensitivity to bodily sensations, along with a range of other perceptual distortions that are usually experienced as pleasant -- but not always, and not by all users.

Effects usually peak within an hour or two and fade altogether in 3-4 hours. After-effects can include a slight hangover and impaired concentration.


..How does pot work in the body?

Good question -- but it's not an easy one to answer. Because the simple fact is that pot is a complicated drug.

For one thing, marijuana isn't a single drug molecule, like alcohol or cocaine, but a mix of more than 400 different chemical components.They're so different, in fact, that 60 of them (called cannabinoids) are unique to marijuana.

Since we're talking numbers, we'll point out that the main mind-altering cannabinoid is a little number called delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, for short. It's the chemical that trigger marijuana's main drug actions and effects in the body and brain.

THC is like a feel-good chemical bomb that explodes on contact, then breaks up into at least 80 different byproducts (or metabolites) before it's eliminated from the body. And that can take a while.

The process starts as soon as THC enters the bloodstream, and begins zeroing in on cannabinoid receptors (called anandamides) in the brain and central nervous system.

Once it checks into the brain, THC takes its own sweet time in checking out. Unlike many other drugs, which are excreted from the body within hours, THC metabolites stick around -- stored in fatty tissue, mostly -- for 3-5 days, even weeks, in heavy users.

What THC metabolites do, if anything, during this time is still mostly unknown. But it's this buildup of metabolites, and the duration of their hangtime in the body, that raises the most concern about possible long-term risks.


..What risks are linked to pot?

We'll start with the heart, because pot can get things pumping faster there than a tricked-up drum machine at a techno music festival.

In fact, rapid heartbeat -- which, for some users, can speed up by as much as 50 percent--is one of the few universal physical effects of marijuana. (Another is increased appetite -- AKA "the munchies.")

Even though increased heart rate only lasts minutes and isn't a threat to most people, it could add strain for users with heart disorders or high blood pressure.

A bigger threat to more users is irritation to the lungs and respiratory airways, since users tend to inhale pot deeply and hold it in the lungs for as long as possible.

Even though a direct link with lung cancer is unproven, pot smoke does contain cancer-causing chemicals (known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons), so it's not that farfetched, either.


..Are other body systems affected?

They sure seem to be. Take the endocrine system, for example. It produces body hormones, the internal chemicals that control how and when we develop. Here's what pot does there:

Triggers a short-term drop in the hormones that direct growth and development.
Lowers sperm production in males, resulting in fewer normal sperm cells.
Tinkers with the balance of hormones that control the menstrual cycles of girls and women.
In adults, these changes are temporary. But researchers suspect that young people risk possible long-range developmental problems. As a precaution, they warn kids to avoid pot to reduce the risk.


..How does pot affect the brain?

That's the trickiest question of all -- because nobody knows all the intricacies of how the brain works in the first place. And we know even less about how it works with a bongload of marijuana inside it.

Still, we're closer to real answers than ever before.

What we know for sure is that pot changes more than just the way people feel. It also triggers a number of changes in brain function and behavior.

Let's consider just a couple of the main ones:

Pot tilts the balance of chemicals in the brain that regulate mood, energy, appetite, and attention.
It affects learning and memory processes, and can cause forgetfulness and reduced concentration.
Pot also reduces logical thinking and calculation skills, and can impair a user's ability to perform complex tasks, including driving a car.
Uncovering the actual machinery of most of pot's effects in the brain is still probably years away.

But this much is known right now: Heavy smokers in general and longtime users in particular are more likely to experience ongoing problems than occasional smokers and nonsmokers.

And that's something else to think about if you're thinking about pot: Smoke enough of it and it could end up smoking you -- or, at least, part of the future you.


..Can marijuana cause birth defects?

It doesn't cause full-blown birth defects, but that doesn't mean it's okay to smoke if you're pregnant. Because the fact is that pregnancy and unnecessary drug use just don't go together at all.

Not only that, but with pot, there's some evidence that use during pregnancy could lead to unnecessary problems for a developing fetus, even raising levels of miscarriage and stillbirth.

That's because THC metabolites (remember them?) freely cross the placenta, where they interact with developing body systems.

Possible effects include lowered birth weight, nervous system changes, and delayed learning.

And if you're pregnant (or you're planning to be), risks like those are too real to disregard -- and too important to ignore.


..Final Facts

We still have a long way to go if we're ever going to round up all the facts about marijuana.

For that matter, we'll probably never have every answer to every possible question about its effects on the body and brain.

Still, you don't need to be a brain surgeon to know that pot poses far more serious risks for some people (particularly teens, pregnant women, and heavy users) than for others. And each is a risk that can be easily avoided.

And while pot's potential for causing problems in occasional users has been exaggerated in the past, a final, indisputable fact about marijuana is simply this: The only foolproof way to safeguard yourself against possible problems is to pass on it altogether.

Because of all the facts in a shifting mountain of facts (and pseudo-facts and fictions) about pot that has accumulated over the years, one that hasn't changed is that marijuana is a drug -- and a pretty complex one, at that.

And like every other drug that's ever been used and abused, it can cause real problems for real people.

And that's a fact that's likely to always be true.


..Sidebar | Final Facts

For most people, getting off pot isn't that big a deal. All they need to do is stop -- and stay stopped. Quitting may not be fun, but it doesn't take much more than a little time and a lot of willpower.

For others, it can get more complicated -- usually, because they let THC & Company become a regular thing, like coffee in the morning or brushing their teeth at night.

For them, quitting is just the first step in a longer process of rebalancing their lives -- and finding alternatives to fill the spaces that leaving pot can leave behind. Places to start:

Get Moving! Any serious physical activity can boost your spirits and clear your head. Running, cycling, or just shooting hoops can turn on the same feel-good brain chemicals that pot does, without the risks--or the expense.

Undo the Dew! A junk-food-free diet can turn down any blues that can come from giving up pot. Taking a break from caffeine and sugar can't hurt, either.

Relax! Take it easy. Turn on to a new activity or a skill that you've let slide for a while. Now is as good a time as any to be experimental with who you're going to be from here on out.

If you think you need help, get it. And if you've thought about it before, be different and do it now. Now happens to be the only time there ever is for doing anything -- including getting your life back together.

And come to think of it, another installment of it is scheduled to begin again any second now.

http://www.doitnow.org/pages/126.html

QuoteWell, I hope while he is waiting he will find out why marijuana is illegal and tell me, because I asked first!

;D

That is pseudo-scientific clap-trap intended to KEEP marijuana illegal.

You can start with the "fact" that in the 1930s etc etc.  Why?  Tell me why it was declared the demon weed, ruiner of children and all that is good, in the 1930s.

I'm not interested in what some moralizing patronizing dude says in 2010.

QuoteHarsh Punishments for Drug Use in Southeast Asia
Proximity of "Golden Triangle" Puts Governments On Alert Against Drugs
By Michael Aquino, A

Southeast Asia's governments impose the toughest drug laws on the planet. You can't blame them – the legendary "Golden Triangle", a patch of real estate bordering Thailand, Laos and Myanmar, is smack in the heart of the region, and is a world hotspot of narcotics production. (The CIA Factbook calls Myanmar the "world's second largest producer of illicit opium").

In spite of such draconian measures, certain places are flush with illegal drugs. However, you should still defer to local laws when offered a chance to indulge – your status as a foreigner does not make you less likely to be punished for drug use, quite the opposite!

Some general, unsolicited advice:

Don't bring your personal stash with you. Don't get conned into carrying drugs for others, whether as personal favors or for profit. The risks far outweigh the possibility of getting away with it. You can bet the Bali Nine or Schapelle Corby (see Notable Arrests below) thought they could get away with it, too.
If you're bringing prescription drugs with you, play it safe and bring the prescription for these drugs.
Notable Drug Arrests

Schappelle Corby - convicted of smuggling almost 10 pounds of marijuana into Bali. She could have received a death penalty – instead, the judge sentenced her to 20 years in prison. (Schapelle Corby – Wikipedia)
Nguyen Tuong Van - hanged at Singapore's Changi prison in 2008. He had been caught with 14 ounces of heroin at Changi International Airport during a stopover between Cambodia and Australia. The Singapore government denied the Australian government's request for clemency. (Nguyen Van Tuong – Wikipedia)
The Bali Nine – an Australian drug ring facing the death penalty for smuggling heroin into Bali. They are being held for attempting to smuggle 18 pounds of heroin into Bali. (Bali Nine – Wikipedia)
Michelle Leslie - Australian model caught with two Ecstasy pills in 2005. She later pleaded guilty to possession, was sentenced to time served, and was released. (Michelle Leslie – Wikipedia)
Kevin John Barlow and Brian Geoffrey Chambers were hanged in Malaysia in 1986 for trafficking five ounces of heroin. (Barlow and Chambers execution – Wikipedia)
Drug Laws and Penalties in Southeast Asia – by Country

Southeast Asian countries have strict laws in place for drug-related offenses, and aren't afraid to use them.

The region's diplomats aren't afraid to ignore appeals for clemency from Western governments, if any are made at all. Americans under arrest on drug-related charges pose a dilemma for the State Department - the U.S. government may jeopardize its own war on drugs if it intercedes in such cases.

The pertinent laws and penalties for each country are listed in brief below.

Cambodia

The death penalty was abolished in Cambodia, but drug laws remain strict for those caught with controlled substances. Punishment ranges from 5 years to life in prison. Law enforcement in Cambodia is spotty – some members of the police are perceived to be involved in the drug trade.

Law on the Drug Control - Cambodia (ASEANSEC.org)
Indonesia

Indonesian drug laws prescribe the death penalty for narcotics trafficking and up 20 years in prison for marijuana offenses. Simple possession results in prison terms of one to five years. The country has recently ended a four-year hiatus on the death penalty for drug-related offenses - two Nigerians were executed by firing squad on June 26.

Law of the Republic of Indonesia on Narcotics (ASEANSEC.org)
Executions for Drug Crimes Are Resumed in Indonesia (New York Times)
Laos

The Criminal Code of Laos penalizes possession of narcotics under Article 135. Under a new amendment to the existing Code, possession of at least 3.5 ounces (100g) of heroin can get you 10 years' imprisonment and a fine of up to $35,000 (100 million kip).

Laos Confident New Anti-Narcotic Law Will Effectively Help Combat Drug Problems (Voice of America)
United Nations Third Committee, Item 104: Laos, International Drug Control (UN.int)
Malaysia

Long jail sentences and heavy fines are mandatory for suspects caught with controlled substances, and the death penalty is prescribed for drug traffickers. the law presumes you are trafficking in drugs if you're caught in possession of at least half an ounce of heroin or at least seven ounces of marijuana.

Criminal Penalties – Malaysia (US Department of State)
Philippines

The law prescribes the death penalty for drug traffickers caught with at least 0.3 ounce of opium, morphine, heroin, cocaine, marijuana resin, or at least 17 ounces of marijuana. The Philippines has imposed a moratorium on the death penalty, but drug offenders are still punished harshly if caught – the minimum sentence is 12 years in prison for possession of.17 ounce of illegal drugs.

Dangerous Drugs Act of 2002 - Philippines (ASEANSEC.org)
Singapore

The Misuse of Drugs Act is very strict – persons caught with at least half an ounce of heroin, at least 1 ounce of morphine or cocaine, or at least 17 ounces of marijuana are presumed to be trafficking in drugs, and face a mandatory death penalty. 400 people were hanged for drug trafficking in Singapore between 1991 and 2004.

Misuse of Drugs Act of 1973 - Singapore (ASEANSEC.org)
Thailand

In Thailand, the law prescribes the death penalty for carrying category I narcotics (heroin) "for the purpose of disposal". The death penalty for drug trafficking has not been imposed since 2004, but rehabilitation counselling is often imposed on convicted drug users.

Narcotics Act B.E. 2552 - Thailand (ASEANSEC.org)
Vietnam

Vietnam strictly enforces its drug laws. As prescribed by Article 96a and Article 203 of the Vietnamese Criminal Code, possession of heroin in quantities larger than 1.3 pounds gets you a mandatory death sentence. In 2007, 85 people were executed for drug related offenses.

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You can start with the "fact" that in the 1930s etc etc.  Why?  Tell me why it was declared the demon weed, ruiner of children and all that is good, in the 1930s.

I'm not interested in what some moralizing patronizing dude says in 2010.

Mr T Your not interested in anything that I have posted but you have not presented any good information or facts on making  marijuana legal is a good thing for all the people, and I'm still waiting on your facts..... ;D

Willy, you're believing in organizations and researchers that have(as I said before) a vested interest in keeping marijuana illegal. T and I have been here before with others that take what the government, the ALA, the Do IT NOW Foundation have to say as gospel. It is a waste of time until you are willing to think outside the "narcotic" box that has been sold to the American public.

I might at some time link some organizations that have a less biased view on the subject but not now. Extreme Home Makeover is coming on.

  HOW marijuana got a bad name                                                                                                                                                                             Lacing Marijuana
Marijuana is sometimes
laced with other drugs,
often without the
knowledge of the user.
Some of these drugs
include powder and crack
cocaine, PCP, and LSD
This was especially popular in the early 70's when these expermental drugs were popular ... "U' didn't buy or blow from someone "U" didn't know & trust!  Could have been what happened to Willys relation?  Were they tested to prove cause of death?

I hope your links hammondjam will be contributing common sense advice about marijuana. ;D

 



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Hempfest 2009

Another Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed in California

Cook County Board, President Approve Marijuana Decriminalization Ordinance

Colorado Initiative Sets Sights on Legalizing Possession of Marijuana

Drug Czar Reasserts White House Opposition to Cannabis Legalization, Misinformation Abounds

Barney Frank Proposes Federal Marijuana Decriminalization

Congressman Mark Kirk Targets High Potency "Super-Marijuana"

House Representative Suggests Marijuana Regulation Pilot Program

San Francisco Rep. Tom Ammiano Proposes Bill to Regulate, Tax, and Legalize Marijuana

Lowest Law Enforcement Priority on Hawaii Ballot

Fayetteville, AR Voters to Prioritize Cannabis for Law Enforcement

Update: Congressman Frank Introduces Legislation to Decriminalize Marijuana

US Congressman Barney Frank To Introduce Marijuana Decriminalization Bill

New Hampshire Considers Shifting To Civil Penalties For Minor Marijuana Possession

Cannabis and Lung Cancer Risk

New York City Sees Surge In Minor Marijuana Possession Arrests

Global Marijuana March: Thousands Protest Marijuana Prohibition

Different Chemicals, Different Effects; Marijuana And Psychotic Symptoms

DEA Administrative Law Judge Sides With Researcher On Access To Marijuana

Report: Marijuana Is Largest Cash Crop In US

San Francisco Board of Supervisors Votes To Make Marijuana Lowest Priority For Law Enforcement

2006 Ballot Roundup: Local Initiatives Pass, Statewide Votes Fail

Coloradans Push Back Against DEA's Effort To Campaign Against Marijuana Initiative

Colorado Voters To Decide On Marijuana Legalization

City Of West Hollywood Moves To Legalize Marijuana

Governor Says Yes To Bill Recriminalizing Marijuana In Alaska

Major UCLA Study Finds No Marijuana-Lung Cancer Link

CBS 60 Minutes To Air Piece On Canadian Activist And Entrepreneur Marc Emery on Sunday, March 5

Marijuana Bill Moves Through Massachusetts Legislature

Blair Government Takes Expert Advice: Cannabis To Remain In Class C

Marijuana Reform Organization SAFER Calls For Coors Boycott

Denver Votes To Legalize Marijuana

Report: Marijuana Arrests Have No Impact On Overall Marijuana Use

UK Police Commander Objects To Proposal To Examine Cannabis Upgrade

City Of Vancouver: Marijuana Legalization Part Of Plan To Prevent Substance Abuse Harm

Economics Of Marijuana Prohibition Vs. Regulation: Harvard Economist Jeffrey Miron Releases "Costs Of Marijuana Prohibition: Economic Analysis"

Sentencing Project: US "Drug War" Focus Has Shifted Toward Marijuana Enforcement, Away From Other Drugs

UK's Labour Government Moves To Re-Examine Cannabis Classification

Chicago Mayor Calls For Marijuana Decriminalization

Social Use of Marijuana

Responsible Cannabis Users / Guidelines For Sensible Cannabis Use

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Ultra-High Potency Cannabis Assertion Is False

Feds Shifting Focus Away From Hard Drugs And Toward Marijuana

Scientists Find Short-Term Marijuana Use Not Unsafe For HIV-Infected Individuals

US MI: Cloud of Uncertainty Engulfs Medical Marijuana, Jackson Citizen Patriot, (03 Oct 2010)
US CA: Pot's An Easy Crop, Farms Easy Targets, Los Angeles Times, (03 Oct 2010)
US CA: OPED: Changing State Pot Laws, Attitudes, Santa Maria Times, (03 Oct 2010)
US AZ: OPED: Medical Marijuana Just A Smokescreen, Daily Courier, (30 Sep 2010)
Israel: OPED: Medical Cannabis In Israel: Revolution Or Evolution?, Jerusalem Post, (02 Oct 2010)
US CO: Eagle County Dispensaries Mobilize As Vote Looms, Vail Daily, (02 Oct 2010)
US CA: Medicinal Marijuana Grower: Prop 19 Poorly Written, Auburn Journal, (02 Oct 2010)
US CA: LTE: Just Say No To Prop 19, Appeal-Democrat, (03 Oct 2010)
US CA: LTE: Legalized Pot Won't Solve California's Problems, Napa Valley Register, (03 Oct 2010)
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Hempfest 2009
Although this year's Hempfest didn't boast quite as many attendees as the nearly 20-year-old, Seattle-based festival's last annual gathering (approximately 300,000 people attended in 2008, while over 100,000 people attended in 2009), the "world's largest annual gathering in support of decriminalizing marijuana" went off without a hitch and, according to an August 16 Examiner report, attracted many attendees who "were far from your average stoner" ("Marijuana 101: Is Seattle Hempfest the World's Largest Marajuana [sic] Decriminalization Gathering?"). Among those in attendance were "travel guru" Rick Steeves, actor Woody Harrelson, former Seattle police major (and current LEAP member) Norm Stamper, and Common Sense for Drug Policy's own Doug McVay.

The festival has come a long way since its origination in 1991. As the Examiner article states, Hempfest began "as the Washington [state] Hemp Expo" and was "attended by about 500 self-described 'stoners.'" As previously mentioned, the festival now ranks as the biggest gathering of its kind. Hempfest "includes many music stages and vendors," but "arrests for smoking marijuana do not happen in this peaceful crowd setting where many celebrities" and other drug policy reform advocates "come to voice their opinions." Aside from its brief write-up of the festival, the Examiner posting contains a powerful proclamation regarding both marijuana decriminalization in general and Hempfest's message. As its author L. Steven Sieden writes, "Hempfest proves that 'we the people' need to take control of our government and decriminalize this natural substance. Smoking marijuana on a daily basis [may] not [be] something a young person should aspire to, but marijuana can be used as a responsible medical treatment. Recreationally, it is also far less harmful than alcohol, and the potential for tax revenue are huge." Indeed.

The article also provides readres with two embedded videos from the festival. If you're in the Seattle area next year, this event certainly merits your participation.

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Another Marijuana Legalization Initiative Filed in California
Californians can now decide between three different legalization measures proposed for the 2010 ballot. J. Craig Canada, the Examiner's Santa Cruz County Drug Policy Examiner, provides a useful summary of the first two, filed respectively on July 15 and July 28, 2009, here. However, as Canada reported on August 10, 2009 ("California Has Three Initiatives Filed to Legalize Marijuana"), Californians now have a third ballot measure, the "Common Sense Act of 2010" (filed by Common Sense California - no relation - on August 4, 2009), from which to choose.

The "Common Sense Act of 2010," like its predecessors seeks to legalize (and thus enable regulation and control of) marijuana sales and consumption in the state of California. However, the newest of California's legalization initiatives differs with some magnitude from earlier counterparts. While the initiative would repeal "marijuana prohibition in California," it would also "give the legislature a year to pass laws to regulate and tax marijuana." Additionally, the initiative "calls for California members of Congress to work to remove cannabis from the Federal Schedule of Controlled Substances." Thus, Common Sense California's ballot measure offers something not only to California's cannabis consumers but for their counterparts nationwide.

To learn more about the iniative, visit is sponsor's website and read the full initiative here in PDF form.

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Cook County Board, President Approve Marijuana Decriminalization Ordinance
President of the Cook County Board - a governing body for the greater Chicago area - Todd Stroger "says he won't veto a new ordinance that allows $200 tickets to be issued to those found in possession of less than 10 grams of marijuana," the Chicago Tribune reported on July 24, 2009 ("Stroger Won't Veto Tickets for Marijuana"). Although he was initially, as reported in a next-day Tribune article ("Kind of Dopey"), "surprised [...] when [the] ordinance [...] landed on his desk" the previous week, he now at least supports the ordinance enough to keep his veto stamp off its pages.

To find out more about the ordinance, take a look at either of the above linked articles or Phillip Smith's post for the Drug War Chronicle's blog.

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Colorado Initiative Sets Sights on Legalizing Possession of Marijuana
Activist organization Sensible Breckenridge, an arm of Sensible Colorado, succeeded in getting on November's ballot a "measure that would remove all penalties for possession of up to an ounce of marijuana in the [...] ski resort town of Breckenridge," Phillip Smith writes in a post for the Drug War Chronicle's "Speakeasy" blog on July 25, 2009. The measure, as Smith reports, "would remove local penalties for the private possession of up to one ounce of marijuana by adults 21 and older, effectively legalizing small amounts of marijuana for adults under the town code."

Organizers told Smith that they "encountered overwhelming support" for the measure while gathering 1,400 signatures - nearly three times the 500 needed "to make the ballot." As local attorney Sean McAllister said, "Now it is up to the Breckenridge voters to decide if responsible adults should be criminalized for using a substance less harmful than alcohol." However, the measure could be implemented even earlier. According to Smith's post, "The Breckenridge Town Council will have the opportunity to enact the law at their meeting on August 11. If they do not, it will automatically be placed on the November 3rd ballot."

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Drug Czar Reasserts White House Opposition to Cannabis Legalization, Misinformation Abounds
In a July 22, 2009 article ("Drug Czar Says U.S. Won't Back Pot Legalization"), Marc Benjamin of California's Fresno Bee reports that U.S. drug czar Gil Kerlikowske "said the federal government will not support legalizing marijuana." Restating an oft-quoted phrase, Kerlikowske told reporters that "Legalization is not in the president's vocabulary, and it's not in mine." The drug czar claims he "understand why legislators" - particularly those of the California persuasion - are pushing taxes on "marijuana cultivation to help cash-strapped government agencies." However, he contends that "the federal government views marijuana as a harmful and addictive drug" with "no medical benefit," despite scientific and anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

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QuoteI hope your links hammondjam will be contributing common sense advice about marijuana.

;D

10.  "Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could."- William F. Buckley Jr.



9. "Forty million Americans smoked marijuana; the only ones who didn't like it were Judge Ginsberg, Clarence Thomas and Bill Clinton." - Jay Leno




8. "I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast" - Ronald Reagan

7. "The drug is really quite a remarkably safe one for humans, although it is really quite a dangerous one for mice and they should not use it." - J.W.D Henderson Director of the Bureau of Human Drugs, Health and Welfare, Canada

6. "Casual drug users should be taken out and shot" - Darryl Gates Head of Los Angeles Police Department United States Senate Judiciary Committee



5. "When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again." –Bill Clinton

4. "When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point." - Barack Obama

3. "Now, like, I'm President. It would be pretty hard for some drug guy to come into the White House and start offering it up, you know? ... I bet if they did, I hope I would say, 'Hey, get lost. We don't want any of that.'" - George W. Bush


2. "I think pot should be legal. I don't smoke it, but I like the smell of it." - Andy Warhol

1. "I used to smoke marijuana. But I'll tell you something: I would only smoke it in the late evening. Oh, occasionally the early evening, but usually the late evening - or the mid-evening. Just the early evening, midevening and late evening. Occasionally, early afternoon, early midafternoon, or perhaps the late-midafternoon. Oh, sometimes the early-mid-late-early morning. . . . But never at dusk." - Steve Martin

Read more: http://www.bakedlife.com/2008/12/top-10-marijuana-quotes.html#ixzz11NR54RBlhttp://www.bakedlife.com/2008/12/top-10-marijuana-quotes.html (http://www.bakedlife.com/2008/12/top-10-marijuana-quotes.html)

Mr. Willy, I am not trying to get you to try or even endorse the use of marijuana. What I'm doing on this forum is trying to get people to learn THE TRUTH about the substance before making decisions. The hard part is getting people to understand that many of their "trusted" sources don't tell the real story. Many "official" sources don't really know the REAL story as research has been stifled by the government.

Check out this site. It's from people that have ben in the trenches fighting the so-called drug war.

http://yeson19.com/endorse/enforcement/text

Here's their homepage...

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Here's a guy that doesn't use or even like it(kind of a long read)...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1598562/whats_so_wrong_with_pot_the_real_dangers.html?cat=71

My advice is to learn before you burn.

QuoteWhat I'm doing on this forum is trying to get people to learn THE TRUTH about the substance before making decisions.

hammondjam what do you think I'm trying to do and to say,  marijuana  does  have  bad health effects and has been proven by many experts in the medical field rather you want to believe it or not.

this is one subject hammondjam that we will never agree on  :rolleyes: and I will continue to fight it but not if there is a medical use for it... ::O:

But how will you know if they won't look for it or tell you if they find it?

YOU KNOW

I was gonna mention LEAP.  that's LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBITION


Now, if law enforcement realizes it's a STUPID WAR ON A STUPID PLANT then, why don't you Mr. Willy?  I think your anecdotes leave much to be desired.  WHAT else was going on with your niece and nephew?  just smoking pot and they decided to kill themselves?  everything else in their lives was JUST FINE?  only the marijuana inspired them to commit suicide?  doesn't make sense.

I don't mean to make light of your losses, but...  it doesn't compute that mj was the only thing that caused their suicide (or attempt).

QuoteI don't mean to make light of your losses, but...  it doesn't compute that mj was the only thing that caused their suicide (or attempt).

You have no Idea what your talking about and it's no wounder it doesn't compute to you. !!!!!

Quotethis is one subject hammondjam that we will never agree on   and I will continue to fight it but not if there is a medical use for it.

Why do you say that marijuana caused the suicide and the attempts?   Did they leave notes?

I take pain illegal pills and I commit suicide. Did the pain pills cause me to commit suicide or was the reason I was taking pain pills contribute to the reason I committed suicide?

I also cannot see the correlation between someone that was a mj smoker and then that person happens to take their own life, the mj was was the reason for it. I guess it does not compute for me neither.

Quotemarijuana  does  have  bad health effects and has been proven by many experts in the medical field rather you want to believe it or not.

I will continue to fight it, but not if there is a medical use for it

How will you know?  The AMA wants the DEA to remove marijuana from schedule one - no medical benefit - so that it can be experimented with,  to see if it has medical benefits.

The DEA won't unschedule 1 marijuana to see if it has medical benefits because it says it doesn't have any medical benefits so they won't let them look for medical benefits.

Where is the way out?  How can we ever find something if we are forbidden to look?

QuoteNIDA InfoFacts: Marijuana

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Marijuana is the most commonly abused illicit drug in the United States. It is a dry, shredded green and brown mix of flowers, stems, seeds, and leaves derived from the hemp plant Cannabis sativa. The main active chemical in marijuana is delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol; THC for short.
How is Marijuana Abused?
Marijuana is usually smoked as a cigarette (joint) or in a pipe. It is also smoked in blunts, which are cigars that have been emptied of tobacco and refilled with marijuana. Since the blunt retains the tobacco leaf used to wrap the cigar, this mode of delivery combines marijuana's active ingredients with nicotine and other harmful chemicals. Marijuana can also be mixed in food or brewed as a tea. As a more concentrated, resinous form it is called hashish, and as a sticky black liquid, hash oil.* Marijuana smoke has a pungent and distinctive, usually sweet-and-sour odor.


How Does Marijuana Affect the Brain?
Scientists have learned a great deal about how THC acts in the brain to produce its many effects. When someone smokes marijuana, THC rapidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream, which carries the chemical to the brain and other organs throughout the body.

THC acts upon specific sites in the brain, called cannabinoid receptors, kicking off a series of cellular reactions that ultimately lead to the "high" that users experience when they smoke marijuana. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. The highest density of cannabinoid receptors are found in parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thoughts, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.1

Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty in thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that marijuana's adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time.

Research on the long-term effects of marijuana abuse indicates some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system3 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine.4 Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

Addictive Potential
Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction; that is, compulsive drug seeking and abuse despite its known harmful effects upon social functioning in the context of family, school, work, and recreational activities. Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which make it difficult to quit. These withdrawal symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2–3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug cessation.5

Marijuana and Mental Health
A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be a factor, where early use is a marker of vulnerability to later problems. However, at this time, it is not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence. Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses, including addiction, stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. At the present time, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders.6 High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction; in addition, use of the drug may trigger the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in vulnerable individuals.

What Other Adverse Effect Does Marijuana Have on Health?
Effects on the Heart
Marijuana increases heart rate by 20–100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug.7 This may be due to the increased heart rate as well as effects of marijuana on heart rhythms, causing palpitations and arrhythmias. This risk may be greater in aging populations or those with cardiac vulnerabilities.

Effects on the Lungs
Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50–70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;8 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.9 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.

Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.10 Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.11 Several studies associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.

What Treatment Options Exist?
Behavioral interventions, including cognitive behavioral therapy and motivational incentives (i.e., providing vouchers for goods or services to patients who remain abstinent) have shown efficacy in treating marijuana dependence. Although no medications are currently available, recent discoveries about the workings of the cannabinoid system offer promise for the development of medications to ease withdrawal, block the intoxicating effects of marijuana, and prevent relapse.

The latest treatment data indicate that in 2006 marijuana was the most common illicit drug of abuse and was responsible for about 16 percent (289,988) of all admissions to treatment facilities in the United States. Marijuana admissions were primarily male (73.8 percent), White (51.5 percent), and young (36.1 percent were in the 15–19 age range). Those in treatment for primary marijuana abuse had begun use at an early age: 56.2 percent had abused it by age 14 and 92.5 percent had abused it by age 18.**

How Widespread is Marijuana Abuse?
National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH)***
According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, in 2007, 14.4 million Americans aged 12 or older used marijuana at least once in the month prior to being surveyed, which is similar to the 2006 rate. About 6,000 people a day in 2007 used marijuana for the first time—2.1 million Americans. Of these, 62.2 percent were under age 18.

Monitoring the Future Survey****
The Monitoring the Future survey indicates that marijuana use among 8th-, 10th-, and 12th-graders—which has shown a consistent decline since the mid-1990s—appears to have leveled off, with 10.9 percent of 8th-graders, 23.9 percent of 10th-graders, and 32.4 percent of 12th-graders reporting past-year use. Heightening the concern over this stabilization in use is the finding that, compared to last year, the proportion of 8th-graders who perceived smoking marijuana as harmful and the proportion who disapprove of the drug's use have decreased.



Percentage of 8th-Graders Who Have Used Marijuana:


  1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001
Lifetime 19.9% 23.1% 22.6% 22.2% 22.0% 20.3%  20.4%
Past Year 15.8 18.3 17.7 16.9 16.5 15.6 15.4
Past Month 9.1 11.3 10.2 9.7 9.7 9.1 9.2
Daily 0.8 1.5 1.1 1.1 1.4 1.3 1.3


  2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Lifetime 19.2% 17.5% 16.3% 16.5% 15.7% 14.2% 14.6%
Past Year 14.6 12.8 11.8 12.2 11.7 10.3 10.9
Past Month 8.3 7.5 6.4 6.6 6.5 5.7 5.8
Daily 1.2 1.0 0.8 1.0 1.0 0.8 0.9




Percentage of 10th-Graders Who Have Used Marijuana:


  1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001
Lifetime 34.1% 39.8% 42.3% 39.6%  40.9% 40.3% 40.1%
Past Year 28.7 33.6 34.8 31.1  32.1 32.2 32.7
Past Month 17.2 20.4 20.5 18.7 19.4 19.7 19.8
Daily 2.8 3.5 3.7 3.6  3.8 3.8 4.5


  2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Lifetime 38.7% 36.4% 35.1% 34.1% 31.8% 31.0% 29.9%
Past Year 30.3 28.2 27.5 26.6 25.2 24.6 23.9
Past Month 17.8 17.0 15.9 15.2 14.2 14.2 13.8
Daily 3.9 3.6 3.2 3.1 2.8 2.8 2.7




Percentage of 12th-Graders Who Have Used Marijuana


  1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001
Lifetime 41.7% 44.9% 49.6% 49.1% 49.7% 48.8% 49.0%
Past Year 34.7 35.8 38.5 37.5 37.8 36.5 37.0
Past Month 21.2 21.9 23.7 22.8 23.1 21.6 22.4
Daily 4.6 4.9 5.8 5.6 6.0 6.0 5.8


  2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Lifetime 47.8% 46.1% 45.7% 44.8% 42.3% 41.8% 42.6%
Past Year 36.2 34.9 34.3 33.6 31.5 31.7 32.4
Past Month 21.5 21.2 19.9 19.8 18.3 18.8 19.4
Daily 6.0 6.0 5.6 5.0 5.0 5.1 5.4


"Lifetime" refers to use at least once during a respondent's lifetime. "Past year" refers to use at least once during the year preceding an individual's response to the survey. "Past month" refers to use at least once during the 30 days preceding an individual's response to the survey.



http://drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

Well, since you persist in ignoring my questions I guess I will post around you.

I was pretty sure that we would NOT agree on this subject before I ever answered your first post. You are dead set on making marijuana a big evil even though it isn't. If there are chemicals in marijuana that aren't good during the burning process, how many has it killed? Everything I read says NOBODY. The beneficial parts seem to outweigh the bad(if there are any). I'm over fifty and do not have ANY medical problems like COPD or immune deficeincies. I'm strong as a horse AND I have a long history of using the substsance in question. Maybe I'm Superman?

If dangerous chemicals being inhaled warrants a prohibition on the carrier substance, shouldn't we ban drive-thru banks, restaurants and even automobiles too. Exhaust WILL kill, you know!

Willy, do you support having law enforcement kicking in my door and taking me to jail while they sell my home on the auction block because I choose to use it occasionally? How does my use affect you or anybody? If your answer is yes then we have no more reason to discuss this. Keep that head firmly planted in sites that are there on purpose to scare folks that don't know. I'll be on the other side trying to find people more open to reason! My side is currently winning, BTW!  ::D:

Willy, Mr. T has asked you repeatedly why you are for prohibition. Why can't you answer HER? She's my wife, BTW, just so you know. She's not a black, male former bouncer and actor like some think.

Put it out there and try using your own words instead of your usual Reefer Madness sites!

Oh, wow, i must've hit a nerve. No other "problems", right?

It was the ALL the two kids' fault for trying the "devil weed"?

Smoking mj does NOT a mental illness make. Mj was NOT the direct cause of suicide or attempted.

I'm not trying to be callous, just brutally honest. Mr Willy brought his family problems into the thread and it doesn't make sense.

oh, and yeah, I do know what i'm talking about.

You are dead set :  That's Willy, as "U"l soon find out!  ::O:  :rolleyes:  :confused:  :-\

QuoteSmoking mj does NOT a mental illness make

Flybananas you know nothing and you contribute no facts of any kind on this subject.

QuoteAn association between marijuana use and mental illness, particularly psychosis, has long been recognized. Recently, with a better understanding of brain function and pharmacology, researchers have renewed their interest in this subject. Although present statistics suggest that marijuana accounts for 10 percent of all cases of psychosis, epidemiological evidence suggests that the number could be higher. Patients with psychosis are at higher risk for cardiovascular and metabolic diseases compared to the general population.

Researchers at Yale University School of Medicine report that cannabinoids, which are the active ingredient in marijuana, can induce acute transient mental illnesses, particularly psychotic symptoms, including paranoia and acute psychosis in some individuals. As to why some people experience this and others don't remains unclear. The Yale researchers also note that in individuals with an established psychotic disorder, cannabinoids can exacerbate or worsen psychotic symptoms. These exacerbations can persist long past the period of intoxication. Available evidence suggests a causal relationship between marijuana, psychosis and the development of schizophrenia. However, because most people who use marijuana don't develop these disorders, the Yale researchers theorize that cannabinoids interact with another component, perhaps genetic risk, that predisposes them to psychosis. Dysfunction of the CB1 receptor has been proposed as a possible risk factor and is being further investigated.



Worldwide, researchers are studying the effects of marijuana on mental health. In 2008, French researchers published a study in which they evaluated 32 cannabis abusers along with 30 healthy controls using self-reports. Their study showed that cannabis abusers were more likely to have mood and anxiety disorders and to experience high levels of psychological distress, trait anxiety, physical anhedonia, and sensation seeking than controls. A similar study from the Netherlands showed that acute cannabis use can cause memory impairment persisting for months after its use. Cannabis, however, showed no changes in brain anatomy based on MRI reports.

http://www.emaxhealth.com/1035/7/29167/does-marijuana-cause-mental-illness.html

In other words flybananas  YOU are full of BS !!!!!!!!!!!

*mutters something about all that money spent on danged degrees and licensure*

6 year degree and i know NOTHING!  i'm stupid! I should just go... Oh that would be too mean. after all, honesty is one thing ~ meanness i cannot abide!

Sorry mr willy. So sorry for your entire family.

However, you cannot negate 6 years training. 2 years further supervision and licensure. Your sources are invalid to me because the goverment PAID for those studies and will get the results THEY want.

Show me an independent study. Otherwise you add NOTHING but paranoia and incorrect supposition to this argument.

Quote
Worldwide, researchers are studying the effects of marijuana on mental health. In 2008, French researchers published a study in which they evaluated 32 cannabis abusers along with 30 healthy controls using self-reports. Their study showed that cannabis abusers were more likely to have mood and anxiety disorders and to experience high levels of psychological distress, trait anxiety, physical anhedonia, and sensation seeking than controls. A similar study from the Netherlands showed that acute cannabis use can cause memory impairment persisting for months after its use. Cannabis, however, showed no changes in brain anatomy based on MRI reports.

apparently flybananas you have a hard time reading what was posted, maybe its from smoking to much weed, ;D and again you have showed no studies of any kind and if not then you  are nothing but   paranoia and incorrect yourself without any facts at all.

good night its time for sleep for me. ;D

nope, just all the info stuffed in my head from all that schooling. And no, i'm not a mjologist. I am  licensed to provide counseling. I reckon that makes me a MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL. So, no - no quoting and posting walls and walls of difficult to read on my cell fone studies. Just my professional knowledge.

Please, please quit ignoring everyone else. Why are you singling out MY questions?!

Oh yeah, i'm the one that hit the nerve. According to your own sources there - in about 10% of users there are signs of psychosis. However, it remains UNCLEAR if the mental illness was caused by, exacerbated by or if the individual was simply self-medicating. The mentally ill do that a LOT. You end up with cooccuring mental issues ~ substance ABUSE (classified differently than substance USE) and some type of other mental illness (psychosis for you lay people). Often, those with personality disorders will self-medicate as well, making diagnosis and treatment particularly difficult. Plus, those with personality disorders usually learn to function EXTREMELY well in society making diagnosis even MORE difficult. Often families don't want to acknowledge there may be issues. FURTHER hindering possibility of diagnosis and treatment. Then, there are simply dysfunctional families who actually cause the pain, but lets assume for arguments sake that's not the issue here.

So, what have we learned tonight kimosabe? 1. No proof exists that mj use CAUSES mental illness. 2. Society and family can make diagnosis of mental illness difficult, thus impeding treatment. And 3. We never EVER trust government studies.

Okay, I'll jump in on this one.  Mr. Willy, re-read some of your own postings.  For instance:
"...cannabinoids, which are the active ingredient in marijuana, can induce acute transient mental illnesses, particularly psychotic symptoms, including paranoia and acute psychosis in some individuals. As to why some people experience this and others don't remains unclear. The Yale researchers also note that in individuals with an established psychotic disorder, cannabinoids can exacerbate or worsen psychotic symptoms."  Translation:  a pre-existing condition can be exacerbated in some people, not so much in others, with the same condition.  Nanners is 100% correct (hey Nanners, those pedigrees DID teach ya somethin'!) ;)

If you're gonna try and talk about schizophrenia coupled with MJ use, you should be prepared to know that I and at least one other person on here has a family member who has been diagnosed with the disease, and I reckon said other person would agree with me 100% that sometimes the only thing to help our loved ones (when their meds fail, and sometimes even a 100% compliant patient's meds just do that, it is the nature of the disease) is a joint.  That's an independent fact for ya, no hosted study required - just a life story that has been repeated time and again in the school of hard knocks.

Look, mr. willy - I don't believe anyone on here is trying to "bash" you.  It sounds like you experienced a family tragedy, and that's a sad thing.  However, and as we are trying to point out to you (even using your own postings), research has been unable to directly, causally connect MJ use to a mental disorder; MJ doesn't create a mental disorder and at worst, can impair certain cognitive functions on a temporary basis.  Again, while some people may feel increased anxiety, or depression, etc., THOSE CONDITIONS WERE ALREADY PRESENT IN THE INDIVIDUAL.   Now, SYMPTOMS of a mental disorder can be induced, but the disorder is already present.  Do you see the difference now?

I'm done discussing with a "wall". I'm going to finally follow Terry's lead and NOT waste my time with Willy. Maybe Indiana got tired of him so he came here to "link" us to death. Proof isn't necessary and personal experience doesn't count if one just "believes" HUH?   :rolleyes:

marijuana use is not an effective method for coping with life's problems, and staying high can be a way of simply not dealing with the problems and challenges and I will continue to fight it, but not if there is a medical use for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does MJ cause mental illness or do mentally ill people self medicate?

Marijuana Addiction
Marijuana is an illegal drug in the United States with a high potential for abuse. It   impairs and may distort sensory perception and induces a feeling of well-being and relaxation. Some users report a heightened state when using marijuana but this is a false perception and marijuana can affect the sense and reflexes similar to alcohol. Marijuana also  significantly impairs cognitive functions despite users believing that they are thinking more 'clearly'.

Marijuana addiction is very much a possibility, producing cravings similar to other drugs. There is much debate as to whether marijuana addiction is physical or psychological. Long term marijuana users who quit the drug do experience withdrawal symptoms during the detox periods. Others crave for the effects of marijuana without showing any withdrawal symptoms.

Quote from: mr.willy on October 05, 2010, 08:22:33 AM
Marijuana Addiction
Marijuana is an illegal drug in the United States with a high potential for abuse. It   impairs and may distort sensory perception and induces a feeling of well-being and relaxation. Some users report a heightened state when using marijuana but this is a false perception and marijuana can affect the sense and reflexes similar to alcohol. Marijuana also  significantly impairs cognitive functions despite users believing that they are thinking more 'clearly'.

Marijuana addiction is very much a possibility, producing cravings similar to other drugs. There is much debate as to whether marijuana addiction is physical or psychological. Long term marijuana users who quit the drug do experience withdrawal symptoms during the detox periods. Others crave for the effects of marijuana without showing any withdrawal symptoms.

I'm going to have to run some tests of my own. I won't be doing any driving today anyway.   ::p:

QuoteThe Effects of Marijuana During Pregnancy
Pot and pregnancy don't mix. Marijuana contains over 300 chemicals. The active ingredient, THC (tetra-hydro-cannabinol) influences brain chemistry in a way similar to alcohol. It affects your memory and slows your thinking and reflexes.
Marijuana has been shown to affect babies, too.

We know that marijuana crosses the placenta, and can be found in the newborn's body for up to a month after a single use. Just like smoking tobacco, it causes less oxygen and food to get to the baby. This factor alone affects your baby's growth and brain development. Newborns of mothers who have used marijuana throughout pregnancy cry more. Some studies suggest that children exposed to marijuana while in the womb are at increased risk for attention disorders and learning problems that might not show up until school age.
Some say that they smoked marijuana and their baby seems fine.

They might have been lucky. There is much we don't know about how marijuana affects developing babies. Marijuana is used in different strengths, mixed with other drugs and even sprayed with weed killers when it is grown. These factors all make any pot use during pregnancy risky.

Quote from: mr.willy on October 05, 2010, 08:47:38 AM

MJ was a better option for me than morning sickness pills. Those drugs caused many birth defects. remember the flipper babies of the 70's.

Quotemarijuana can be physiologically and psychologically addictive. And Australian scientists recently reported that cannabis junkies hooked for more than 10 years develop brain injury. Compared with matched controls, users in this relatively small but provocative study scored lower on mental health and cognitive performance measures, and their MRI scans showed brain shrinkage in regions targeted by cannabis. Face it: Were the crude, dried, ground weed reviewed by the Food and Drug Administration for safety, it would flunk on its brain effects alone.

Yet cannabis has adverse effects on more than the brain. The heart is stressed by marijuana, which for one thing elevates serum triglycerides that bring coronary disease risk. Marijuana is a serious respiratory irritant that serves up more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke. When pregnant women smoke, the drug gets into the fetus; in nursing mothers, it enters breast milk. And in the cannabis-receptor-laden testicles, there is growing evidence from the laboratory and in humans that THC causes mutant sperm, which among other things can't swim right—thus impairing male fertility, at least while the male and his sperm are under the influence.

Quote from: mr.willy on October 05, 2010, 08:08:29 AM
marijuana use is not an effective method for coping with life's problems, and staying high can be a way of simply not dealing with the problems and challenges and I will continue to fight it, but not if there is a medical use for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So people can stay drunk but smoke a weed (not paying taxes on it) from your back yard and go to jail and ruin your life. Makes sense, NOT!!!

"Marijuana addiction is very much a possibility, producing cravings similar to other drugs."

So are pain pills but I guess those are taxed.

Quote from: taxidr on October 05, 2010, 08:44:45 AM

I'm going to have to run some tests of my own. I won't be doing any driving today anyway.   ::p:

ROFLMAO test away!!!!

QuoteOne ounce of marijuana today is $375. If Californians vote for Prop 19 or if the state legislature and Governor approve AB 2254, the price could drop to $38 per ounce, says the RAND Corporation in a study released today. Called Altered State? Assessing How Marijuana Legalization in California Could Influence Marijuana Consumption and Public Budgets, the report examines the likely increase in usage, how much tax revenue could be generated and other issues.

One issue especially may be highly debated over the coming months. It's often said that legalizing marijuana will free the state from enforcing the drug. But RAND "estimates that the cost of enforcing the current laws probably totals less than $300 million." Whether that's true or not, it could become a focal point of the opposition.

Other findings incude the increase of usage, which could be 50 to 100% more than now, matching the 1970s. Despite that increase, researchers feel tax revenues will not blow away the charts.

"A fixed excise tax per ounce may give producers and users an incentive to shift to smaller quantities of higher-potency forms of marijuana," said study co-author Jonathan P. Caulkins of Carnegie Mellon University. He said that kind of shift would be one factor that could lower revenues collected from marijuana taxes.

Even at current estimates, legalizing and taxing marijuana would not fix the state budget. That sort of notion is "offensively false" to Mark Kleiman, a UCLA Professor of Public Policy who said that on KPCC's Air Talk on Monday. Marijuana would bring in $1.4 billion to the state, according to a state analysis. That amount helps, but wouldn't fix the nearly $20 billion budget gap the state currently faces.

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I want to see this "high potency" marijuana that the "experts" talk about so much. I've tried hydro and it is very short lived. Comes on fast and leaves even faster. Nothing, these days, matches the stuff of my youth. Acapulco Gold, Columbian or Wowie Maui puts all the current stuff to shame. I could grow better stuff in my front yard that is currently available.

Also, we see, from an earlier cut-n-paste post(I thought we weren't supposed to cut-n-paste) that marijuana users STAY high to avoid dealing with life's problems. Stereotypical bullshit ONCE again from Mr. Reefer Madness. Why can't smoking just be to feel good for a couple of hours while I listen to music or watch a movie. Me and my "hippie" wife have worked more than one job to pay off some debt and we're almost there so WHO am I hurting? 99% of the time, I'm sober and quite functional. Even during those times that I actually am able to find some of this HIGH QUALITY DEMON WEED, I can STILL function. Somebody has been watching too many Cheech and Chong movies AND believing them. I guess I have to give him SOME credit for at least allowing medical marijuana into his list of possibles. If nothing else, I'd like to see it made legal and OFF the radar of ALL law enforcement(including the jackbooted DEA!).

"I'm STILL gonna fight the illegal status though. That will cancel out one vote for and one vote against. THAT'S PROGRESS Washington style!!!  ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

The anti-pot rhetoric makes me wonder how so many could be BS'd into believing all that crappola. But....then again....Dubya the cokehead got elected twice. He's also the one that decided that we need to stop wasting our time looking for meth and crank and go straight to the "gateway drug". I got news for America...todays kids are skipping pot altogether and going straight for the chemicals. You want addiction and home invasion type robberies, let junior run out of Lortab or Zanex. Pot smokers go to sleep, the chemical kids go break into grandmas house.

Your just to much tonight hammondjam so I leave you alone tonight. ::D:  here is some infro. for you. ::D:

http://www.amsterdamcannabisseeds.com/high-potency-marijuana-seeds.html

Jam, I'll substantiate your assertion kids of today are bypassing pot and going for the pharmies - court records don't lie, these kids are on probation for robbing their parents drug cabinets and selling Xanax, etc. on the schoolyards and on the streets.  Nothing like a ground-up Oxy to snort...the effects will last a helluva lot longer than a joint.  At best, kids today are selling pot to older generations because they are the ones who know where to find it. ::)

I don't see Mexican Ditch Weed in that assortment. That's the most common variety here. If the Islamic political pressure in Amsterdam has it's way, there won't be any of those amazing choices anymore. BS comes in many varieties whether it is government/corporative misinformation in the States or religious BS in Europe.

I'm glad that I'm more than half way to my dirt nap. The stupidity of many of my fellow humans is almost too much to take sometimes. Until then though, I'll enjoy life like I want to.

Quote from: Whoo on October 06, 2010, 07:26:30 AM
Jam, I'll substantiate your assertion kids of today are bypassing pot and going for the pharmies - court records don't lie, these kids are on probation for robbing their parents drug cabinets and selling Xanax, etc. on the schoolyards and on the streets.  Nothing like a ground-up Oxy to snort...the effects will last a helluva lot longer than a joint.  At best, kids today are selling pot to older generations because they are the ones who know where to find it. ::)

We used to have some nice baby hippie kids living across the street. They would get together upstairs and partake while listening to Phish or Widespread Panic. Nobody got hurt and nobody got sick. THEN, we got some frat boys(not the present ones) that were standing in the street doling out pills to each other while drinking whiskey and beer. Pretty soon, the fights were on. Bottles got broke all over the place and the neighborhood got woke up.

WE know this but, unfortunately, much of the country is too easily led into fear of the unknown. Ya want dangerous ingredients...read the labels on your food and look up the big words! Pot's illegal but saccharin and aspartame is still sold with the blessing of the government.

Most of the modern marijuana strains are the result of taking the good strains from the "old days" and breeding them for desired traits. Thanks Gregor Mendel!

There is no super weed. There are just more stable(read consistent and marketable) strains.

And even the most "powerful" weed strains dont kill people.

Smoke this pot that might kill you, isnt a successful MJ marketing strategy. Smoke this pot that will make you eat 12 burritos from Taco Bell would be.

Moonshine, meth and coke users look for stuff that can kill them it is so "good".

QuoteWEED DICTIONARY
420 - marijuana slang
All lit up - Wasted on weed
BC Bud - high-grade from British Columbia
Beat - when bowl or pipe is done
Blaze - smoke marijuana
Blazed - High on Marijuana
Blunt - marijuana inside a cigar
Blunted out - smoked many blunts of marijuana
Bong - waterpipe used to smoke marijuana
Bowl - marijuana pipe
Buds - Marijuana
Buda - high-grade marijuana
Buzz - under the influence
Buzzkill- somebody says something that makes everyone go silent
Cannabis - marijuana, hemp, pot, ganja, reefer.
Cashed - bowl is finished/empty
Chiba-Chiba -A black Brazilian form of reefer
Chinese eyed - when the eyes become slanted from the influence of marijuana
Chocolate Thai - type of marijuana
Christmas tree - marijuana; depressant; amphetamine
Chronic - marijuana; chronic marijuana.
Coffeeshop Cafe - Hash Weed Coffee shops are unique to Amsterdam Holland.
Creeperbud - marijuana that creeps up on you
Dank - High grade bud, which is moist and sticky
Dime bag - $10 worth of drugs
Ditch weed - marijuana, inferior quality, Mexican
Doobie - marijuana blunt/cig
Dope - marijuana; any other drug
Dope fiend - marijuana addict who loves to continually smoke dope.
Dub / Dub Sack - $20 worth of weed
Dugout - A pipe used for smoking marijuana.
El diablo - marijuana
Elbow - A pound of pot
Fatty - marijuana cigarette
Fire it up - to smoke marijuana
Fly Mexican airlines - to smoke marijuana
Fucked up - Your high on drugs and not a thing you can do about it.
Funk - Slang for marijuana.
Ganjah - Bob Marley marijuana term.
Get lifted - under the influence of drugs
Grass - Slang for marijuana hemp
Hashish / Hash - primarily resin from substandard Middle Eastern or Indian marijuana.
Happy cigarette - Marijuana cigarette.
Hash - marijuana
Hawaiian - very high-potency marijuana
Hemp - Cannabis stalks and stems, especially those used to make rope, fabrics etc.
Herb - Jamaican term for marijuana with Biblical connotations; Rastafarian sacrament.
Hit - To take a drag of marijuana
Hookah - waterpipe with four long stems to accommodate four smokers at once
Homegrown - marijuana that is not do good.
Hooch - marijuana
Hydroponic / hydro - hydro phonically grown marijuana
Joint / Jay - marijuana cigarette.
Killer - high grade marijuana
Kind bud - heheh
Lit up - under the influence of drugs
Little bowl of Buddha - 10 gram bowl of marijuana
Marijuana - A really cool plant
Mary Jane - marijuana slang
Maui Wauwie - marijuana from Hawaii
Monty Hall - a person always trying to talk down the price
Muggles - (1930's)slang for pot.
Nickel bag - $5 worth of drugs; heroin
Northern Lights - extremely high-grade marijuana
Norml - Organization for the rights of pot smokers.
O.Z. - An ounce of pot.
Panama gold - good marijuana
Phillies Blunt - Cigar hollowed out and filled with marijuana.
Pot - marijuana
Pothead - someone who smokes pot
Pooched - Feeling lazy and tired after smoking.
Puff the dragon - smoke marijuana
Q.P. - quarter pound of marijuana
Ragweed - inferior-quality marijuana
Rasta weed - marijuana
Reefer - marijuana
Roach - butt of marijuana cigarette
Roach clip - holds partially smoked marijuana cigarette
Sesh/Session - Going out to smoke
Shot Gun - someone puts the blunt in their mouth backwards and blows the smoke into someone's mouth.
Skunk - good marijuana
Smoke-out - under the influence of drugs
Spark it up - to smoke marijuana
Spliff - marijuana cigarette.
Stash - A place to hide drugs.
Stinky - pot
Stoned - under the influence of drugs
Stoner - someone who stays high on marijuana
Swag - poor quality marijuana
Swisher - cigar emptied and filled with marijuana.
Toking on a number - Smoking marijuana.
Tetrahydrocannabinol/THC - The psychoactive cannibinoid in marijuana that is responsible for the high.
Thai Stick - Thai variety of marijuana, usually wrapped around thin bamboo
Tighten someone's wig - (1940's)Provide marijuana
Toke up / Toke - smoke marijuana
Trees - marijuana
Tweeds - marijuana
Up In Smoke - Cheech and Chong movie
Vaporizer - vaporizes marijuana into THC
Viper - (1930's)"sssssst" sound made by inhaling
Wacky Tobacky - marijuana
Zig-Zag - rolling papers

"WMW!"  'i' beg to disagree with "U"!  ... There is  it's grown in KY.  Thank you sir for your uninformed info""!

WILLY"S - on a tangent, just ignore him~~!

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::: Let's NOT get Moonshine confused with those other 'late model addictions'    OK??  "WE' can't include the good stuff with this modern fantasy shit!
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G-13 Is the most powerful strain of marajuana ever concieved. It in fact is no myth, only in the aspect of it being "pure".It was part of a government research project done between the 1970s and 80s

QuoteThere is no super weed.

You do not know what your talking about WhatMeWorry,,, ::D:

 research project done between the 1970s and 80s ~~~~ & that's where Willy still IS!... he wouldn't know his a** from a hole in the ground ** unless he copied & pasted it from somewhere!
    HE's got : NO "! opinion on anything unless 'he' gets it from someone else!  ::)  ::O:  :rolleyes:  ;D

Quote from: Terry on October 06, 2010, 05:58:27 PM
"WMW!"  'i' beg to disagree with "U"!Go ahead.  ... There is  it's grown in KY.Where weed is grown is irrelevant. How weed is grown is irrelevant. There is no super deadly weed.  Thank you sir for your uninformed info""!No, thank you!

Quote from: mr.willy on October 06, 2010, 06:22:01 PM
G-13 Is the most powerful strain of marajuana ever concieved.Says who? And what do you mean by powerful? It in fact is no myth, only in the aspect of it being "pure".G-13 is okay. Its not the ultimate result of MJ breeding though.It was part of a government research project done between the 1970s and 80sSo? That proves nothing.
You do not know what your talking about WhatMeWorry,,, ::D:Sorry but I do know what I am talking about.

"WMW!"  'i' beg to disagree with "U"!Go ahead.  ... There is  it's grown in KY.Where weed is grown is irrelevant. How weed is grown is irrelevant. There is no super deadly weed {{ didn't say anthing about it being deadly- thank you 'i'm still here! }}.  Thank you sir for your uninformed info""!No, thank you!
~~ If we're speaking about uninformed  "WMW", why don't "U" stop being so beligerent, & (( inform)) "US" of all "U"r wisdom ?

... he likes this kind f s**t!  ... even thrives on't!   'i' can't wait to "C" what he says next!

Quoteposted by WhatMeWorry? There is no super weed

now I'm copying and pasting  this infro.from this http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=G-13
The most powerful strain of marajuana ever concieved. It in fact is no myth, only in the aspect of it being "pure".It was part of a government research project done between the 1970s and 80s

Now WhatMeWorry? posted this.

QuoteG-13 Is the most powerful strain of marajuana ever concieved.Says who? And what do you mean by powerful? It in fact is no myth, only in the aspect of it being "pure".G-13 is okay. Its not the ultimate result of MJ breeding though.It was part of a government research project done between the 1970s and 80

So now Terry you sucked to much on the bottle tonight like usually because you failed to see that WhatMeWorry?  said

QuoteThere is no super weed.

and beside WhatMeWorry?is good at coping and pasting from the same place  I got the information from, so now Terry go suck on that bottle to get you high for the evening because you do the same thing that WhatMeWorry? does and you have a college education... ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Nothing on this page makes sense.

Well except for WMW. 

Other two - what is pure marijuana?

Someone needs to get a room and work things out, lol.

Quote from: Terry on October 06, 2010, 07:46:37 PM
"WMW!"  'i' beg to disagree with "U"!Go ahead.  ... There is  it's grown in KY.Where weed is grown is irrelevant. How weed is grown is irrelevant. There is no super deadly weed {{ didn't say anthing about it being deadly- thank you 'i'm still here! }}.  Thank you sir for your uninformed info""!No, thank you!


~~ If we're speaking about uninformed  "WMW", why don't "U" stop being so beligerent, & (( inform)) "US" of all "U"r wisdom ?

Belligerent? Sorry that I actually know what I am talking about.

How do I know?

I am a pothead. Have been for years. Will be till I die. Its my anti-drug.

Now where did you get your info from?

Quote from: mr.willy on October 06, 2010, 09:50:22 PM
now I'm copying and pasting  this infro.from this http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=G-13
The most powerful strain of marajuana ever concieved. It in fact is no myth, only in the aspect of it being "pure".It was part of a government research project done between the 1970s and 80s

Now WhatMeWorry? posted this.
So now Terry you sucked to much on the bottle tonight like usually because you failed to see that WhatMeWorry?  said  and beside WhatMeWorry?is good at coping and pasting from the same place  I got the information from, so now Terry go suck on that bottle to get you high for the evening because you do the same thing that WhatMeWorry? does and you have a college education... ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Sorry but I didnt cut and paste anything about g-13. I just know about its provenance. Unlike you I actually know what I am talking about.

And urbandictionary is your source of info?

I'm still trying to figure the point of mr. willy posting the A-Z slang terms... :-\

Quote from: Whoo on October 07, 2010, 07:27:37 AM
I'm still trying to figure the point of mr. willy posting the A-Z slang terms... :-\

He was showing that potheads are creative when not suicidal?

G-13 OK...There were other government projects too that involved PURE LSD being used on Vietnam era soldiers but what we're talking about is the freedom to use some commercially grown OR homegrown marijuana without fear of arrest and imprisonment. First and foremost...medical marijuana and then after that, recreational use.

But...we have the fearful and undereducated masses getting in the way.

"What's THAT? What IS that stuff? I don't know! Hey you kids....don't put your lips to it!!"

Now take this Ritalin.

QuoteAnd urbandictionary is your source of info?

and it was your's to...... ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Do you ever actually think about what you say or do you just press random keys?

I hat to admit that WhatMeWorry? is somewhat truth on what he said 

QuoteI am a pothead.

and that is for sure in more was the one....... ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

um...

Quoteum...

must have been high on my cig's like the potheads on this string.  ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

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Do you ever actually think about what you say or do you just press random keys?

[color=green'i' "C" your getting to (NO) my buddy!][/color]   he's a good fellow just confused sometimes - same as 'us' ALL!
{{ It's a gamble; gota 'no' when to raise & when to fold! }}  'i'v ben giving him a hard time lately so he's ignoring me!  'i' can handle " IT "::

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Quote from: mr.willy on October 07, 2010, 08:36:41 AM
and it was your's to...... ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Sorry but it was a coincidence.

Quote from: mr.willy on October 07, 2010, 11:16:59 AM
I hat to admit that WhatMeWorry? is somewhat truth on what he said   and that is for sure in more was the one....... ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

I ar been a pothed and still be make sentence that more coherent.

QuoteMarijuana to Blame for Increased Drug Use in 2009, Government Report Says

A new government report blames increased marijuana use for an uptick in the overall use of illicit drugs among Americans.


The annual National Survey on Drug Use and Health shows the rate of illicit drug use rose from eight percent in 2008 to 8.7 percent in 2009. The survey also found increases in the use of ecstasy and methamphetamines.


Authorities are especially concerned about use of illicit drugs by young people. The survey by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration found 21.2 percent of young adults experimented with illegal drugs in 2009. The report says the trend "was also driven in large part by the use of marijuana."



The "drug czar" said marijuana "may have properties that have medicinal values that should be tested" but he insisted it is not medicine.


Kerlikowske views marijuana as "an entry drug." The survey found that for the first time since 2002, less than half of young people believe using marijuana is harmful.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20016614-503544.html

attack THE MESSENGER BUT YOU CAN'T  attack THE MESSAGE. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

I smoked a joint once. Woke up in Costa Rica three days later, married with six step kids. Just say NO!

QuoteCan people become addicted to marijuana? A:   Yes. While not everyone who uses marijuana becomes addicted, when a user begins to feel that he or she needs to take the drug to feel well, that person is said to be dependent or addicted to the drug. About 100,000 people seek treatment for marijuana use each year, showing they need help to stop using.

Some frequent, heavy users of marijuana develop a tolerance for it. "Tolerance" means that the user needs larger doses of the drug to get the same desired results that he or she used to get from smaller amounts.

That defines "SLACKER". It also makes up less than 20% of users. Are you SURE you're not from Illinois? There's programs for learning deprived experts. Take one. I've got to go. Someone named "G-13 Posse" is knocking at my door.

I'm kidding.....it was just a fart!

A pickle or an egg fart or a pickled egg fart ::O: ::O: ::O: ::O: ::D:

QuoteMarijuana to Blame for Increased Drug Use in 2009, Government Report Says

A new government report blames increased marijuana use for an uptick in the overall use of illicit drugs among Americans.So? No one denies lots of people smoke pot.


The annual National Survey on Drug Use and Health shows the rate of illicit drug use rose from eight percent in 2008 to 8.7 percent in 2009.So? No one denies lots of people use drugs. The survey also found increases in the use of ecstasy and methamphetamines.Way to stop the flow of drugs DEA.


Authorities are especially concerned about use of illicit drugs by young people.So? We gotta do it for the children. Kids can score illegal drugs and prescription drugs easier than they can beer. The survey by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration found 21.2 percent of young adults experimented with illegal drugs in 2009.Prohibition is a abject failure. I get it, do you? The report says the trend "was also driven in large part by the use of marijuana."So? The black market doesnt check for ID. DUH!



The "drug czar" said marijuana "may have properties that have medicinal values that should be tested" but he insisted it is not medicine.So? His job is dependent on pot being illegal. He is not objective.


Kerlikowske views marijuana as "an entry drug."So? His job is dependent on pot being illegal. He is not objective. The survey found that for the first time since 2002, less than half of young people believe using marijuana is harmful.Stupid kids. They only believe the truth.

Quote from: Mr T on October 07, 2010, 10:06:17 AM
Do you ever actually think about what you say or do you just press random keys?

RANDOM KEYS, RANDOM KEYS!!!!!!
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Quote from: mr.willy on October 07, 2010, 07:27:51 PM
attack THE MESSENGER BUT YOU CAN'T  attack THE MESSAGE. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

I can attack the message. 

"A new government report blames increased marijuana use for an uptick in the overall use of illicit drugs among Americans."  The first problem with this is it is a government report; if they were to report the "numbers" had actually gone down, they would be out of a job.  Second, "The survey also found increases in the use of ecstasy and methamphetamines."  Now to me, it's a no-brainer to make a correlation between an uptick in overall drug use and increases in the use of meth and X.  Where does pot fit into that?  I've talked with lots of meth and X users over the years, and most of them would turn their noses up at smoking a joint because THAT IS NOT THE TYPE OF HIGH THEY ARE LOOKING FOR!!!!  A crankster-gangster wants to be on the move, an X user wants to dance the night away or boink everything in sight. ::)  Pot doesn't help either of their causes.

Quote from: Sir Jeffrey on October 07, 2010, 09:49:20 PM
A pickle or an egg fart or a pickled egg fart ::O: ::O: ::O: ::O: ::D:

On their own, they're harmless but if combined, the mix has been reported to be addictive, a "gateway" to harder snacks like Slim Jims and possibly harmful to one's social life. It also lowers sperm count according to the National Committee on Everything We Want Seen As Dangerous.

Just say NO, people! It's all fun and games until you're a wide eyed snackhead spending all your rent money at the 7-Eleven!    ::;:

"The survey by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration found 21.2 percent of young adults experimented with illegal drugs in 2009.  The report says the trend "was also driven in large part by the use of marijuana."  First, it fails to report what those illegal drugs were, which makes the second part questionable.  See my prior post.

Show of Hands:  how many of us, as part of our rites of passage growing up, tried a puff or two off our parents' (or extended circle) smokes first, then a sip or two off a drink, etc.?  Equal show of hands: how many immediately turned into alcoholics or 2 pack a day smokers?  My point to that is experimentation is one thing, use and abuse is another.  There's been lots of things I've tried and walked away from, never to do again. 

I like the term "experimented" and how it's used to imply that results are a mystery when the young adults decide to try pot or something else. The first time I ever smoked pot, I KNEW what the effects were going to be. I had yet to experience them but I had a pretty good idea.

I've always thought of myself as a pretty good judge of what is dangerous and what is not BUT, according to these stellar reports, I must be wrong.  I guess I'm actually addicted and violent while suffering hallucinations at the same time. Does this mean I have to start missing work and stop taking showers? YEA!!  :rolleyes:

Quotewhen a user begins to feel that he or she needs to take the drug to feel well, that person is said to be dependent or addicted to the drug. About 100,000 people seek treatment for marijuana use each year, showing they need help to stop using.

You can keep posting those bogus stats, Willy, but WE know better. I'm sure there ARE people that THINK they're addicted but they have other problems...not pot problems. THOSE people could get "addicted" to Red Bull too.

I know more about the subject than you because I have personal experience. You have supposed facts from people that get their paycheck by scaring you.

Silly Mr Willy!  They have gamed the system to generate the numbers they want.  If they didn't they would be out of work. 

If you are offered a diversion program or drug court it is a requirement that you go to a medical facility and declare yourself addicted to marijuana and in need of help.  Those numbers are meaningless.

No-one is addicted to marijuana but many people earn a nice living from the pretense.  Follow the money, Silly Willy. :smile: 

QuoteI have personal experience.

Just my opinion but you are addicted to mj, addicted to a drug and all of you do not want to admit it.

This is America, Mr Willy.  You are entitled to hold as many incorrect opinions as you please. ::p:

I'm entitled to hold as many correct opinions as I please. ;D

That, too. :smile:

THANK YOU.... ;D

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Quote from: mr.willy on October 08, 2010, 09:27:38 AM
Just my opinion but you are addicted to mj, addicted to a drug and all of you do not want to admit it.

We're addicted because we enjoy the TEMPORARY effects of marijuana ? Do you label ANYTHING that YOU enjoy as addictive? Many people can't go two hours without a soft drink. Are they addicted too? If so, why not ban Coca-Cola? It has a substance called high fructose corn syrup in it that can cause diabetes and weight gain in children. Where are all the sites calling for Coke to be illegal? Like T said, follow the money.

I've NEVER been addicted to anything except sexy women! That, I will admit, but NOT marijuana. I don't allow myself the pleasure of mj THAT often. Too much to do and if you use a spice ALL the time, it loses it's meaning! Middle aged people have a hard time finding any....in Oklahoma. Denver is sure looking nice right now! Not so I can get high all the time but so I can have the choice.

That's the basis of my rant, Willy. Freedom of choice. If I'm not hurting anyone, whose business is it if I occasionally relax to some good music before I go join my sexy woman for some quality sleep?

I know some people that have tried it but will NEVER, EVER do it again. They simply didn't like the taste, smell or effect. I can respect that. They KNOW why they don't like it. You should just ONCE try it so you know what you're talking about. I guarantee that you won't explode, become addicted
or turn into a zombie! You have the right to your opinion but it would mean more if you knew something besides tired old government generated propaganda. Again, if I were an addict, I wouldn't be on here discussing with you. I'd be sucking the life out of some bong and then looking for MORE. Tonight, I'm gonna watch a movie, drink a beer or two and go to bed. I'm a boring addict, huh?

Quoteif you use a spice ALL the time, it loses it's meaning!

Thanks hammond for proving my point, it loses it meaning and then comes in the  more powerful drugs for the ones to get their high or as you say meaning back.

QuoteYou should just ONCE try it

No thanks, I get my pleasures just from being with my wife and helping the 3 non-profits that helps and feed the less fortunate  families as much as I can. thats what gives me a high.  ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

I guess you  hammondjam would say I'm boring  :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:but I'm not doing to bad for a 66 year old man  ;D ;D

Nope, I wouldn't say you're boring. It sounds like you have a full life. I'm only saying that your info on this subject is skewed in some areas and flat wrong in others.

I just get tired being labeled as a wild-eyed addict that does nothing but lay around getting high when I try to discuss this. Choice is my goal. I also have a full life that demands a clear head most of the time.  ::D:

QuoteI'm only saying that your info on this subject is skewed in some areas and flat wrong in others.

Thats your opinon that you have and I have my opinion. ;D

I keep thinking, "exercise in futility, exercise in futility".

Yeah...I know, Whoo. Part of me says "This is pointless since Willy believes those sites OVER personal experience" but another, stupidly patient part says"But if you keep pointing out that you've NEVER been addicted to anything and if pot IS addictive, you surely WOULD be by now".   :o

Opinion is NOT fact but what IS fact is that I've never, ever suffered any of the problems pointed out in those articles. They're total BS!  :rolleyes:

I think I'm gonna go eat some breakfast and get ready to go outside to start on leveling the backyard. I AM addicted to having a nice place to sit around the firepit at night and roast marshmallows. MMMMMMarshmallows.....must have.....at any cost!  ::O: Sorry Willy, just messing with ya!  ::D:

QuoteSorry Willy, just messing with ya! 

No problem hammondjam,Looks like we both will be working in the yard just send us some rain so my yard might come back alive. ;D

Normally, we have already had a few rains by now but not this year. A lot of times, we get frigid, Arctic air around Halloween. I hope we don't get it this year.

I'll see what I can do about sending some out east. Maybe I'll wash my truck and then watch "The Hoosiers".   :smile:

QuoteMaybe I'll wash my truck and then watch "The Hoosiers"

Good chance that it will not be a good game to watch. ::D:

i'm sure mr willy BELIEVES that if ham is out of his drug of choice (mj) that he would immediately go into DT's, convulsing, crying, robbing the neighbors to get more more MORE....

QuoteQuote from: mr.willy on October 08, 2010, 08:27:38 AM

    Just my opinion but you are addicted to mj, addicted to a drug and all of you do not want to admit it.

I *know* Ham as a hard working, fun loving, good humored, constantly learning, sometimes opinionated (but always willing to listen to opposing opinions presented in a reasonable manner) and did i say hardworking?, dependable, punctual, clear headed, loving husband and good friend.

as opposed to: having anxiety and depression, appearing anxious, being awkward, impatient, arrogant or angry, telling lies, isolating from society, stealing, continued unemployment, etc.

abuse and use are different.  addiction is a whole other animal as well. 

Quotethat he would immediately go into DT's, convulsing, crying, robbing the neighbors to get more more MORE....

I think someone is in a bad mood tonight or they are out of mj and having withdraws.  ;D

Me and Nanners sometime have a different opinion. Sometimes strong. That's OK! Sometimes learning requires going outside the box. I appreciate her standing for me in a BIG way! She knows me as hard working and I know her as the same and have a deep respect for her softness AND her claws! As far as whether she imbibes or not, I don't know. Ask her.

I DO know some high salary professionals that do, on occasion, and it doesn't affect their abilities. One, like them, put me back together back in the eighties. I was a goner according to the others. That was over twenty years ago, BTW. I'm still here. A walking dead person(like my wife). Both of us used marijuana during the healing process and any predicted side effects NEVER happened.

I pegged you wrong, Willy. I can't change your mind but I DID put some things out there for examination, in case you're interested. Whether we disagree or not, I wish you a nice life!

I'm ready to crank up the sound system!! Alert the earthquake people. I'm gonna get funky!!

QuoteI wish you a nice life!

And back to  hammondjam  ;D ;D

frustrated with health care and pain, yes. Too bad one can't get pain relief in this country.

Meanwhile, i just cannot understand your reticence to believe there are medical applications for mj. Helping that cancer patient with her appetite, that parkinsons patient with their shaking, the pain relief, the anti-anxiety properties, the glaucoma benefit, other calming properties or it's simple clean relaxation properties (vs the violence/tough man inducing properties of alcohol)

you know, medical benefits

You COULD get pain control IF you had a nice, expensive insurance policy OR were willing to go into 5 digit debt. Tribal leaders appear to be more concerned with profit than providing decent health care of their people. I find that extremely offensive.

Back on the subject...somewhat...Willy, I'll say something else too. I've NEVER had any health problems from using marijuana but I HAVE had some from eating American food. There are a ton of health risks associated with genetically modified veggies and fruits, industrial meat production and sugar substitutes. I lived through years of horrendous pain due to high fructose corn syrup and could get no doctor to look at my case as anything real. My wife (Mr.T) did years of research and came up with the answer...AND a Pandora's Box of other things most Americans don't know about our country's food quality and it's effect on the general health of the nation.

Our government attempts to scare us about a simple plant but allows food producers to use techniques and chemicals in our food that NOT EVEN AFRICA will alow in their country. In 2008 the CDC found salmonella, E.coli and other drug resitant strains of bacteria in 80% of the meat it tested. All the hype about pot and the lack of about food is because of corporative sponsorship. HFCS is cheaper than sugar and medical marijuana(as is) can't be copyrighted by the pharmaceutical industry. Follow the money trail.

If our government was as pessimistically cautious about other things as they are about pot, we wouldn't have companies like Sprint and AT&T marketing cell phones to kids. Cells are under investigation for dangerous radiation but over ninety percent of Americans have one or more.

I respect your stand but I must tell you these things so you know there is a lot that Uncle Sam ISN'T protecting us from. Next time you see a diabetic 8 yr. old with weight issues or somebody fighting a deadly case of foodborne E. coli, ask WHY are there Coke machines in schools and why do industrial meat producers get to offer us meat that comes from places where the workers are losing their fingernails from the bacterial contamination?

QuoteBENEFITS
Initial studies in the 1970s reported that smoked marijuana resulted in lower IOP hours after administration. The NEI-sponsored studies demonstrated that some derivatives of marijuana did result in lowering of IOP when administered orally, intravenously, or by smoking, but not when topically applied to the eye. The duration of the pressure-lowering effect is reported to be in the range of 3 to 4 hours. Benefits also include euphoria as an acute effect.

RISKS
Potentially serious side effects associated with smoking marijuana include an increased heart rate and a decrease in blood pressure. Studies of single-administration marijuana use have shown a lowering of blood pressure concurrent with the lowering of IOP. This raises concerns that there may be compromised blood flow to the optic nerve, but no data have been published on the long-term systemic and ocular effects from the use of marijuana by patients with glaucoma.

Other adverse effects from the use of marijuana that have been reported include conjunctival hyperemia, impaired immune system response, impaired memory for recent events, difficulty concentrating, impaired motor coordination, tolerance to repeated doses, and short-term withdrawal symptoms after cessation. Smoking of marijuana also can lead to emphysema-like lung changes, increased risk of cancer, and poor pregnancy outcomes. Because duration of the induced fall in IOP is short, an individual would have to smoke a marijuana cigarette eight to ten times a day in order to control IOP over 24 hours.

http://www.eyecareamerica.org/eyecare/treatment/alternative-therapies/marijuana-glaucoma.cfm

mj side effects is much lower than  the list of sideeffects for the prescription drugs that i take

     GIVE IT A BREAK WILLY!
"I" don't see "U" changing anyones mind  ::)   :-\    ::O: just giveup!    O K ?

hammondjam the fact still remains that we have one of the safest if not the safest, food supply in the world, when that food comes from US farmers.

That's definitely what we hear but the REAL truth has been squashed by companies like Monsanto, Cargill, Smithfield, Tyson, etc. America is being fed chemicals, E.coli, antibiotic laden liquid chicken and the fat in your local hamburger come in giant tubes so they can control the content. Some of that fat is harvested from the floor of the facility. Some of the meat is dead or near dead from disease before it ever reches the kill. We DO NOT have the safest food. We DO have the craftiest politicians in the pockets of food producers to cover up THAT fact! The family farm is dead except for a few organic farmers and ranchers that have to battle the FDA, USDA and all the lobbyists from the aforementioned companies.

Watch the documentary called  Food Inc. and see what you think. Our government has sold us out for money. Have you ever wondered why so many people are morbidly obese. That used to be such a rarity that it was freak show material. There was a kid who ate a cheeseburger during a vacation and didn't live to see his home again because the meat was full of E. coli. This has been proven but government officials have put up walls everytime the mother tries to get an investigation.

The America that you THINK exists is not alive anymore in Washington. WE are it's only survivors. If you don't believe me, do some digging. There is enough evidence against companies like Monsanto that they HIRE people to do damage control for them. There is a new campaign by the HFCS folks that say that High Fructose Corn Syrup is as safe as cane sugar. There are a ton of non-biased sites that give proof that they are lying.

Watch Food Inc. and tell me that the food is safe.

Look up Cargill E.coli and see what is REALLY happening to our food!

If it were not for T, my dog, my turtle and good folks like I think you are, I would buy a breakdown  and go hunting for the profiteering jerks that are screwing up a good country!  :mad:

I prefer a more peaceful attempt so I will continue to tell people whether they are ready to hear it or not. I'm walking proof that not ALL is safe. I can see the man behind the curtain but few others are looking.  :(

QuoteUnfounded allegations
Recent unfounded allegations suggest that fructose is uniquely responsible for the current obesity crisis in the U.S. These allegations - such as increased fat production or increased appetite - are based on poorly conceived experimentation of little relevance to the human diet, which tests unphysiologically high levels of fructose as the sole carbohydrate, often in animals that are poor models for human metabolism. The consequences of such exaggerated diets are predictably extreme, and are thoroughly reviewed by Forbes, et.al.6

Safety
Sucrose and HFS have long been considered Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS). As a significant component of these two sweeteners, the safety of fructose has been thoroughly documented in several authoritative scientific reviews:


GRAS status of HFS established (1983)4 — reviewed by FDA primarily as a component of HFS
Report of the Sugars Task Force (1986)5 — reviewed by FDA from all natural and added sources
Health Effects of Dietary Fructose (1993)6 — reviewed by an ILSI-convened Expert Panel from all natural and added dietary sources
GRAS status of sugars reaffirmed (1996)7 — reviewed by FDA from all added sources

The FDA concluded, "high fructose [corn] syrup is as safe for use in food as sucrose, corn sugar, corn syrup and invert sugar."1 The ILSI Expert Panel concluded, "fructose is a valuable, traditional source of food energy, and there is no basis for recommending increases or decreases in its use in the general food supply or in special dietary use products."8

A Joint Consultation of the World Health Organization and the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization9 found that consumption of sugars is not a causative factor in any disease, including obesity. Specifically stating:

http://www.fructose.org/facts.html

or watch the "Future of Food on Hulu.com

Well, you've been told and you prefer to believe the govenment agencies that are in bed with the food industry. Good luck!

hammondjam ARE YOU A VEGETARIAN

No, we are not vegetarians. :smile:

We buy our eggs from Downing Family Farms, and our pork roast, chops,  pork stew meat for green chili, bacon, sausage etc from Pork and Greens.  I can't remember offhand the Oklahoma farmer who raises the grass-grown and finished beef we buy, but he's local.    The chiccken-source is local and totally free-range bug-eaters. :smile:

We buy organic local fruit and vegetables in season for the most part.  We eat and make organic soup, for the most part.  None of our dairy products have rBGH and most of them are in-state.

We still eat Velveeta for cheese dip.  We are 80/20, for the most part, but not for meat.  We do run into shortages because the folk growing real meat again can't keep up with the demand.  If you have enough room to raise two heritage pigs you can make a lot of money.

Double post alert! :smile:

The food did not change until 1995 and after.  Everything you think you know is wrong.  I don't believe you don't have a disc-player thing or access to Netflix or a video store.  If you refuse to watch Food Inc I can't give your opinions any credence.  I just can't.  Watch the freaking movie! :mad:  It's two hours - what do you have to lose?

Mr Willy, are you a huge supporter of the government?  Do you believe that everything that comes out of Washington is true and correct?

Quotehammondjam ARE YOU A VEGETARIAN

Triple-post alert - all of these foods are available locally, from Oklahoma farmers.  There are shortages, and they do cost more, and you have to eat in season.  No strawberries or asparagus in January. :smile:

We have two-three meatless nights a week.  HJ loves lentils, and one night a week we have bean tostadas, and we have soup and grilled cheese.  All the stuff is organic or local or home-grown and no preservatives or artificial colors.  All of this is available locally, even Walmart for some stuff.

Before you figure we are rich and this is all very well and good for us, I will say that our yearly income is a big five digits, in the low twos. :smile:  We do save money by not buying stuff made from petroleum to throw away - trash bags, baggies, saran wrap, or stuff like paper plates and napkins, again made to throw away.  First law of ecology - There Is No Such Place As Away.

 

WHY Mr T DOESN'T THE DOWNING FAMILY FARM RAISE BLACK ANGUS AND THEY  GRAZE FREELY IN A PASTURE AND  TAKEN TO Federal USDA inspected facility and are processed to your specs.

Mr Willy, are you high?  I just told you he is not a vegetarian.  I bought him a pork roast at Whole Foods in Tulsa for his birthday.  I thought he was going to cry.  Tears :smile: of joy, of course.

I don't know why they don't choose Black Angus - lots of folk around here grow those.  Their processing facility is fully approved.  The difference is that the cows and beefs and pigs and chickens eat grass and bugs instead of Monsanto GMO corn so they don't need all the antibiotics,  and they don't finish at CAFOs on corn, ditto. 

Cows are not made to eat corn.  All the acid balances in their many stomachs go wrong and they grow e coli 151, which didn't exist until we started feeding them government-subsidized corn.  Plus the processing is human-scaled.  They are real people with real animals.  100 days finished on corrn?  See that in the ads?  It is because the cows will die if they do it any longer.

It is an inspected facility, but it doesn't process hundreds of thousands of animals in filthy inhuman and inhumane conditions every hour. 

It's up to you, Mr Willy - you can choose to continue to believe absolutely everything the government says, or you can free your mind and see the truth.  I don't blame you if you don't.

I'm outta here!

Mr. Willy you are on the internet so go to www.hulu.com and watch the "The Future of Food" for free. It is only 1:28 minutes long and it will open your eyes or watch Food INC. at Mr. T/Ham has suggested on netflix or go rent it at your local video store. I'm with T/HAM, watch a different point of view than what the government has been feeding you, get it, feeding you, lol.

baa ~ some people believe EVERYTHING THE GOVERMENT TELLS THEM. Baa baa baa.

For those of us who has worked for the federal government knows better ::;:

QuoteTribal leaders appear to be more concerned with profit than providing decent health care of their people. I find that extremely offensive.

For being free, tribal medicine is pretty good.

I agree they are extremely chintzy with pain meds though. If they werent Rush Limbaugh would have been sitting in there trying to get a script.

The IHS is better than the white mans medical system when ya aint got enough money or insurance.

Could tribal governments be even more generous? Some could.

And if the US government did half as much for its citizens as the Chickasaw Nation does for its citizens there would be no 'ginned up 'anti-government movements.

There might be a 'realistic' better government movement though.

Quote from: mr.willy on October 10, 2010, 08:24:33 PM
http://www.fructose.org/facts.html

And thats why they were trying to change the name of HFCS to corn sugar.

Cause its sooooooo good for you.

Lets just rename pot, Natural Herbal Life Enhancement Product.

Who wouldnt want that to be legal and available to use for stressed out Americans?

Quote from: WhatMeWorry? on October 11, 2010, 04:38:21 AM
And thats why they were trying to change the name of HFCS to corn sugar.

Cause its sooooooo good for you.

Lets just rename pot, Natural Herbal Life Enhancement Product.

Who wouldnt want that to be legal and available to use for stressed out Americans?

If Monsanto gets the OK from the guv to start genetic engineering on pot(for medicinal use). we might see something like that. "Ask your physician or health care provider about NEW Cannabull. NOW in child doses!"  Once it's open to copyright, it'll be amazing to see how safe it is! Of course, it'll be Frankenpot so who knows what it will do. Changing a couple of tRNA's may not be good in the long run.

Wild hogs fighting over cornhttp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe5y8A7fQ4s

QuoteI bought him a pork roast at Whole Foods

M.T how much corn did that hog eat

mr. willy, if your sole purpose is to join in on this forum and post one thing after another that is obviously the exact opposite of the opinions you see on here, you are nothing more than a silly little troll and should just go elsewhere.  I have seen far better trolls than you, and don't want to waste anymore time trying to be nice.  If you have a valid, personal-based opinion, fine; if you want to post more tripe, take your ass on down the road, troll. >:(

Quote from: mr.willy on October 11, 2010, 07:31:17 AM
M.T how much corn did that hog eat

The hogs that they raise are a mixture of a lard hog and an English hog. They did this for flavor as well as giving the hogs the ability to run in the pasture. "Pink" pigs can't take the Oklahoma sun but darker ones can.

In answer to your query...none. They eat what wild hogs eat. It's too hard and expensive to try to find corn that isn't Monsanto's GMO corn.

This isn't some hippie-dippy thing that we just latched onto. We've been researching for quite a while. Also, if you ate some of the pork that WE eat, you'd never touch a Smithfield porker again. That flavorizing liquid they inject into the meat before sale is hiding something. Very little flavor!

Here is the website that will tell you about the family farm.   http://www.oklahomafood.coop/shop/producers/p2913.php

The family farm is all but gone. Through subsidies from the government, industrial farming and ranching has spread like a fungus and now there are only a handful of large corporations that control most of our food.

You might like to check into Smithfeild in Tar Heel, N.C. Those great Americans were sending out invitations to Mexican nationals that invited them in the country to work with transportation being provided. This was done for cheap labor as well as to bust up the union. After they got so much work from the Mexicans, the Feds would swoop in during the night and arrest a couple of vanloads for being here illegally. In all this, NO Smithfield execs were EVER arrested or even questioned. Is THIS the America that the WW2 vets fought for?
BIG BROTHER isn't the government. The government WORKS for BIG BROTHER!!

Dairy farmers have utilized corn, through grazing, to feed dairy cows and dairy heifers for breeding. Sheep, goats, and swine have all been used to graze corn successfully.

Seam like Whoo

Quoteexact opposite of the opinions

That rights  Whoo I have opposite opinions of the other posters so according to that makes me a troll, No Whoo I will not take my ass down the road nor will lower myself of name calling that you have done!!!!!!

Animals used to eat SOME corn as a part of their winter silage.  Theydidn't eat ALL corn.  And, it wsn't genetically-modified corn.  It was real corn.

HEY T and Ham, I was wandering around Native Roots the other day and in the cereal shelf next to the flax seed cereal there was hemp cereal. Have you ever tried it? HMMM ..I wonder how beneficial it is. :p: :208:

great subject,

 i will get some and do some research of my own.  ;)

QuoteClearing Up Confusion about Sugar Made from Corn
It is important that consumers recognize added sugars in the diet.

Despite its confusing name, high fructose corn syrup is simply corn sugar - or an added sugar in the diet. It is not high in fructose as its name would suggest.
High fructose corn syrup is composed of the same two simple sugars (fructose and glucose) as table sugar, honey and maple syrup.
There has been much confusion about this natural sweetener made from corn. We want to clear up consumer confusion by calling this ingredient what it is: corn sugar. And that is why we are asking the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to allow for an alternate name for this ingredient on food and beverage labels.
Consumers need to know what is in their foods and where their foods come from. Corn sugar succinctly and simply describes what this ingredient is and where it comes from: corn.
High fructose corn syrup, or corn sugar, is safe. It has been used in the food supply for more than forty years to make high fiber foods palatable, maintain freshness and enhance flavors in foods and beverages.
High fructose corn syrup, or corn sugar, keeps our foods affordable.
Like all foods, sweeteners should be consumed in moderation as part of a balanced diet.

http://www.sweetsurprise.com/about-us/corn-sugar

Yes, Mr Willy. :smile:

Hey, Taxi - we buy the shelled hemp seeds in bags in the refrigerated section.  You can put them in cereals and cookies and sprinkle them on salads!  They are high in heart-health oils and you avoid the whole fish debacle.

America is a huge market for hemp-things.  I wish American farmers could reap the benefits instead of importing it from other countries.

Mr. Willy you are a terrible Troll, you just post crap and ignore any post/comments that you are unable to responded to. It looks like you have multiple socks too, note to self, report troll to admin.

Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out!!!

Quotereport troll to admin.

Well Sir Jeffery if thats the way you fell about me, then do what you must do, if you think my  post are just crap and not a different opinion it will be your loss not mine....

QuoteTroll   
One of many unsung internet heroes who are almost entirely misunderstood. Contrary to popular belief, many trolls are actually quite intelligent. Their habitual attacks on forums is usually a result of their awareness of the pretentiousness and excessive self-importance of many forum enthusiasts. As much as people may hate trolls, they are highly effective - their actions bring much of the stupidity of other forum users out into the great wide open.

Well Sir Jeffery if thats the way you feel about me, then do what you must do, if you think my  post are just crap and not a different opinion it will be your loss not mine.... had to correct my spelling from my other post. ::D:

That wasn't an opinion - it was a blurb from the website of the very people who make and sell HFCS.

What else would you expect them to say?  "Don't buy our stuff - it's poison!" ::O:

You want to believe we have the safest food in the world.  We should, but we don't.  We don't have the greatest health care or education, and we don't have the safest food.

QuoteYou want to believe we have the safest food in the world.  We should, but we don't.  We don't have the greatest health care or education, and we don't have the safest food.

Just your words no proof that we do not have the safest food in the world, you say we don't where is your proof or in other words where the beef,if it's all poison! then we should all be dead by now.

Mr.T here is a copy and paste job for you to read.

after the nation's largest meat recall was announced earlier this year, Agriculture Secretary Ed Schafer didn't claim that U.S. food is the world's safest. Instead, he said,

"The United States enjoys one of the safest food supplies in the world."

Now can you  argue with that !!!!!!

I think you missed the part about "the nation's largest meat recall."

"America - at least our children aren't covered with flies!"

Quote from: Sir Jeffrey on October 11, 2010, 02:14:33 PM
Mr. Willy you are a terrible Troll, you just post crap and ignore any post/comments that you are unable to responded to. It looks like you have multiple socks too, note to self, report troll to admin.

Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out!!!

WHOO, if you have trouble interpreting Willys comments, 'i' can help, 'i've put up with it for years  ::)  :-\
It's like =he= is a out of control locomotive on locoweed with no direction or purpose except to stop, block, or change "U"r direction :::  & when that doesn't happen 'he' just keeps going like that damn dumb rabbit with the drum!

Quote from: Mr T on October 11, 2010, 12:57:46 PM
Yes, Mr Willy. :smile:

Hey, Taxi - we buy the shelled hemp seeds in bags in the refrigerated section.  You can put them in cereals and cookies and sprinkle them on salads!  They are high in heart-health oils and you avoid the whole fish debacle.

America is a huge market for hemp-things.  I wish American farmers could reap the benefits instead of importing it from other countries.

i have jewelry and macro me' made out of hemp/ the hulled seeds sound like a great snack. I've even been known to chew on a tasty stem from time to time. thanks for the info.  ;D

QuoteI think you missed the part about "the nation's largest meat recall."

You might think so but your wrong, you are talking about the 143 million pounds of beef, recall and you want to blame the goverment.

Hallmark did not consistently bring in federal veterinarians to examine cattle headed for slaughter, Because the cattle did not receive complete and proper inspection, the USDA has determined them to be unfit but 
most of it was eaten long ago.A inspecting veterinarian had said the cattle in question were healthy enough to be used for food.

Check it out yourself Mr T

Sorry,  Mr Willy, but I can't unknow what I know.  You can't turn toast into bread or unread a book.

It's odd - you aren't afraid at all of the most dangerous thing around you but you're scared of a plant.

The only thing in common there is that the word has come down from Officialdom.

Mr T what you can do is just be truthful and not put a spin on everything, also  you have no answer when you have been proven wrong and keep on spinning. ;D ;D

Mr Willy, you're funny. :smile:

QuoteMr Willy, you're funny.

Thank you  Mr T thats the best complement that you have said about me. ::D: ::D: ::D:

where was mr t "proven" wrong.  Mr T has read countless books on the subject of our food.  I *trust* what she says over the government.


Just keep ur head down Mr. Willy baa baa baa....  no harm will come to you.


CORN ~ in FOOD?

I won't even feed my dogs food with corn in it.  They are NOT ABLE TO DIGEST CORN!!  I go to the local feed store and buy decent dog food WITHOUT CORN in it. 

Pigs will eat corn in the WILD. 


Why do we NEED corn sugar?  wasn't cane sugar good enough?  I prefer it in the extremely RARE soft drink I consume.


Cows never ate primarily corn.  they eat GRASS.  good old fashioned grass, is there a shortage of grass?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ygreen/20100819/sc_ygreen/massiveeggrecallhowtocheckyourcartonforrecalledeggs (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ygreen/20100819/sc_ygreen/massiveeggrecallhowtocheckyourcartonforrecalledeggs)

Remember the massive egg recall?

Willy, you're not providing proof either. You're quoting the wolves when they say the lambs are safe in their care!

The government is complicitous in it's knowledge and inaction concerning tainted meat, GMO veggies and how companies such as Monsanto are suing farmers out of business that choose to NOT plant their copyrighted seeds. When Monsanto plants come up in these farms due to wind and birds, Monsanto ties them up in court and gives them the deal. This is the kind of business that our government, our food suppliers and evidently YOU think is OK. At this point, I think you are either a Pollyanna or you are a corporative plant here to keep people believing that pot is dangerous and the food is safe. Either way, you're in the wrong neighborhood here. Most of us know each other personally. T is a kickass researcher and has a nose for BS. IF pot were dangerous and IF our food supply were as safe as you apparently think it is, she would already know. She saved my life so pardon me if I call your opinions of her WRONG.

I see no reason to keep this nowhere conversation going. If you're REAL, then you have my wishes for a nice life. If you're a troll for the government or it's bosses, then know that I WILL NOT shut up about what we've found. Good day!

Seeing our friends come to back us up on the "marijuana" thread. I'm giving you all a big fat hug right now!

::D:

a big fat one sounds good right now. let my weekend begin ::D:

It's so "comfortable" to be addicted and violent while dying of complications, isn't it?  ::D: ::O: ::) ::;: ::D:

I miss VERY little work. I know, from your posts, that you don't either. We just can't get anything right, can we?

Anybody for some "dry" Count Chocula"?

Quotetake your ass on down the road, troll

QuoteJust keep ur head down Mr. Willy baa baa baa.

QuoteI think you are either a Pollyanna or you are a corporative plant

Now I have been told  take my ass down the road and called a troll and keep my head down, also a Pollyanna and a corporative plant just because I do not agree on what has been posted on this forum what country is this or better what has happen to the PEOPLE in the U.S.A.

The strangest comment is

Quoteyou're in the wrong neighborhood

::O: what does that sound like ? I will leave that to you all but I'm not going to leave and will keep on posting as long as I can maybe soon or later we might find something that we agree on i guess  ::D:

hammondjam FYI  I'm diffidently real and wish you a nice life also and I refuse to call anyone a name because you do not agree with me. ;D so goodnight to everyone maybe tomorrow will bring a GOD'S BLESSING but we will just have to wait and see.  ;D

like marijuana? Marijuana IS a BLESSING FROM GOD! Even says so in the Bible. :)

OK now read this about teenage use of mj going back up.
http://www.monitoringthefuture.org/pressreleases/09drugpr.pdf

And watch this and you will know what I think of the Government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ4yW4N6lhA&feature=sub

i can't from my fone. But, i understood the biggest increase in drug use among teens to be what they find at home and grandparents house. Pharmaceuticals. I say, thank GOD if they are ONLY smoking pot.

QuoteMarijuana IS a BLESSING FROM GOD! Even says so in the Bible.

http://www.gotquestions.org/medical-marijuana.html

sometimes i wish i could be more forthcoming on my posts. Professionalism scares me. I could lose my license or face consequences for many things. But i do know a war on a GOD GIVEN plant is absurd. :) 

Quote from: mr.willy on October 11, 2010, 10:07:59 PM
And watch this and you will know what I think of the Government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ4yW4N6lhA&feature=sub

I like how he painted Bush in the background looking all sad like everything was great until Obama came on the scene. Our current corporate leadership started with Reagan and then snowballed. Ronald used the Constitution for toilet paper and the special ops military as his own personal goons.

That's why we have former Monsanto execs working in the FDA, the USDA and as our current food czar.

Quote from: Terry on October 11, 2010, 04:24:02 PM
WHOO, if you have trouble interpreting Willys comments, 'i' can help, 'i've put up with it for years  ::)  :-\
It's like =he= is a out of control locomotive on locoweed with no direction or purpose except to stop, block, or change "U"r direction :::  & when that doesn't happen 'he' just keeps going like that damn dumb rabbit with the drum!

Yeah, I got ya....yet another wannabe Master Baiter.  Won't waste my time on vermin like that, I have better things to do with my time.  It was already turning into a big yawnfest anyway. ::)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/12/stephanie-smith-cargill-s_n_574290.html

Here's just ONE example of a corporation providing "some of the safest food possible" to the US consumers. I like how they put the cart before the horse by saying they are dealing with the E. coli contamination. Note: They DEAL with it by washing the meat in ammonia. Yum! The E. coli in question comes from feeding corn to the cows(GMO corn is cheaper than real feed because of government subsidies). This causes an irritation to the stomachs and eventually the infection. This process actually CREATED a whole new strain of E. coli. Yea!

The cattle would be much healthier if they fed them marijuana leaves and stems but THAT'S illegal!

Mr Willy, I don't know what to make of the report.

First, he says that a decrease in perception of marijuana as dangerous would lead more kids to use it.

Then he says that an increase in perception of inhalants as dangerous "leaves them more vulnerable to any new stimulus toward trying inhalants."

So if the kids see something as not-dangerous it is bad, but if they see something as dangerous it is also bad?

Mr T, thank you for at least your honest  opinion, as I have stated before I no trouble with mj as for as a medical use but cannot back if for recreational use. sorry.......

[quoteMr T, thank you for at least your honest  opinion, as I have stated before I no trouble with mj as for as a medical use but cannot back if for recreational use. sorry.......][/quote]

Whats up, is everyone busy smoking their mj and not going to raise about my last post, ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Hey, Mr Willy! :smile: 

I give my honest opinion about everything.  I only say what I believe.  I don't have any reasons to spin stuff.  I am open to other points of view, and I frequently learn new things! :smile:

I enjoy meeting new folk, including you, and having discussions about stuff-n-things.

So, medical marijuana.  Since the government does not allow the testing to see if it IS useful, now what?  Do you feel that it might be useful, and maybe they should at least look?

That's one of the MOST absurd lies about that substance that has been moved to another heading. Professionals say NO and slackers say YES. I think it sucks that you have to be wary of your profession's witchhunts but I understand that you do have to.

To date, I've known at least 50 professionals that partake like I do. Many are in the medical profession. Surgeons are among that list. Two of them put me back together when it was a popular belief that I would be brain dead at best.

I've also known people that didn't even drink beer but rode the "workplace injury train" on a constant basis. I'll put my work ethic against any anti-pot person anyday! Pot isn't my religion, it's just a spice that I use on occasion when the time is right and when I have some!

It's all over the place that mommas hydrocodones are dangerous and addictive. That doesn't stop anything. It's well known that an eight year old driving a car or operating a drill press is dangerous too so do we adults stop doing those things too so the kids won't try?

"What about the children?" is such a tired old argument for so many things! It's a tough world out there so equip your kids with knowledge and common sense before you send them out there. It's not my fault, being a user that imbibes in an adult-only household, if your little tricycle motor want to get dizzy!

 ::)  ::D: Here 'i' was about to switch to something that might be better than grass & "U" mention

Hydrocodone

What is hydrocodone and acetaminophen?
Hydrocodone is in a group of drugs called narcotic pain relievers.

Acetaminophen is a less potent pain reliever that increases the effects of hydrocodone.

The combination of hydrocodone and acetaminophen is used to relieve moderate to severe pain.

This medicine may also be used for purposes other than those listed in this guide.

Important information about hydrocodone and acetaminophen
Tell your doctor if you drink more than three alcoholic beverages per day or if you have ever had alcoholic liver disease (cirrhosis). You may not be able to take medication that contains acetaminophen.

Hydrocodone may be habit-forming and should be used only by the person it was prescribed for. Keep the medication in a secure place where others cannot get to it. Hydrocodone can cause side effects that may impair your thinking or reactions. Be careful if you drive or do anything that requires you to be awake and alert.
Tell your doctor if the medicine seems to stop working as well in relieving your pain.

Before taking hydrocodone and acetaminophen
Do not use this medication if you are allergic to acetaminophen (Tylenol) or hydrocodone. Hydrocodone may be habit-forming and should be used only by the person it was prescribed for. Hydrocodone and acetaminophen should never be given to another person, especially someone who has a history of drug abuse or addiction. Keep the medication in a secure place where others cannot get to it.
Before using hydrocodone and acetaminophen, tell your doctor if you are allergic to any drugs, or if you have:

asthma, COPD, sleep apnea, or other breathing disorders;

liver or kidney disease;
a history of head injury or brain tumor;

low blood pressure;

a stomach or intestinal disorder;

underactive thyroid;

Addison's disease or other adrenal gland disorder;

curvature of the spine;

mental illness; or

a history of drug or alcohol addiction.

Tell your doctor if you drink more than three alcoholic beverages per day or if you have ever had alcoholic liver disease (cirrhosis). You may not be able to take medication that contains acetaminophen.

FDA pregnancy category C. This medication may be harmful to an unborn baby, and could cause breathing problems

Read more: http://www.drugs.com/hydrocodone.html#ixzz12By2jP7P

!!! GOT STOPPED 0 screen started jumping ( ??? ).
As 'i' was saying;  { less then tree drinks/day }
WELL! my best pain relevier is " Canadian MIst " so 'i' guess 'i'll stick with it!
NO!  after effects & 'i' function just fine; although my disposition does change somewhat!
Tee! Hee!  ( " 'i' get happier " )

Quote from: mr.willy on October 11, 2010, 10:24:37 PM
http://www.gotquestions.org/medical-marijuana.html

Genesis 1:29

American King James Version

QuoteAnd God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

hydrocodone

when hubbysez almost DIED with that one bad tooth infection they had him on Lortabs.  He got addicted.  He was on the 10 mgs for about two weeks.

He got to the point he knew he wasn't using them for pain.  He got very very (he says add one more VERY!) cranky when they were gone. 

When the hospital (when i was 17) weened me from Demerol I was MISERABLE from "the wants" tho there was other pain meds, just not quite as strong. (that was after my horrendous car accident)  NEVER EVER EVER have I had that happen back when I imbibed on marijuana.  Hubbz reports the same....

QuoteSo, medical marijuana.  Since the government does not allow the testing to see if it IS useful, now what?  Do you feel that it might be useful, and maybe they should at least look?

Mr T Check this out, lot of reading and different views  ;D

QuoteThe IOM report, Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base, released in March 1999, found that marijuana's active components are potentially effective in treating pain, nausea and vomiting, AIDS-related loss of appetite, and other symptoms and should be tested rigorously in clinical trials. The therapeutic effects of smoked marijuana are typically modest, and in most cases there are more effective medicines. But a subpopulation of patients do not respond well to other medications and have no effective alternative to smoking marijuana...

Because the chronic use of marijuana can have negative effects, the benefits should be weighed against the risks...

Most of the identified health risks of marijuana use are related to smoke, not to the cannabinoids that produce the benefits. Smoking is a primitive drug delivery system. The one advantage of smoking is that it provides a rapid-onset drug effect. The effects of smoked marijuana are felt within minutes, which is ideal for the treatment of pain or nausea. If marijuana is to become a component of conventional medicine, it is essential that we develop a rapid-onset cannabinoid delivery system that is safer and more effective than smoking crude plant material."

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001325

As I have said, I'm not against medical mj but most diffidently against recreational mj  ;D   

Quote from: mr.willy on October 12, 2010, 09:53:07 PM
As I have said, I'm not against medical mj but most diffidently against recreational mj  ;D

If you're against recreational use, the key is....don't do it. However, keep your opinions and your votes separate so you don't infringe on the rights of others that have no problems with it.

Also, when the pharmaceutical folks start screwing with a "safer" delivery system, I KNOW(from experience) that they will CHANGE it to something else. They ONLY want to change it so they can patent it. End of story.

Of course, you'll believe some report from some official sounding group over people that actually have experience AND healthy lives! These conversations are worthless unless you're open to learning. You're arguing with a lot of people that know fact from BS but you continue to take your stand. I tried to be patient but this is worthless. I feel like I'm arguing with Aunt Bea.

Heading back to Norman....

hammondjam you keep your opinions and your votes separate and don't infringe on the rights of others that have problems with mj and  a conversations with you is worthless unless you  open up your attitude of learning the harmful effects of the use of mj.

QuoteGenesis 1:29

American King James Version
Quote
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

QuoteAnd God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Genesis 1:29, KJV

flybananas Marijuana smokers are especially fond of the King James version, since it uses the word "herb". However, the Hebrew word is much less specific, having the general meaning "plant," with the root word having the meaning "green." Further, the verse talks about fruit trees, indicating that the real meaning of the verse is about edible plants.  So, the verse makes it clear that God created the plants for us for eating. It doesn't say anything about smoking them!

ACTUALLY many of the versions use herb.  I CHOSE king james because it is the most widely accepted.  Didn't want it to come from some new fangled Bible....

and God didn't say NOT to smoke it. 


ACTUALLY (again) the safest way to use MJ is a vaporizer. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbmHu5Qlf2A

No smoke.  No lung damage.

QuoteCOQUILLE, Ore. -- An investigation into possible drug impairment led to a drug bust in Coquille.

Coquille police officers responded to a call on Tuesday morning where they found a 16-year-old under the influence and in possession of a marijuana brownie at Coquille High School.

Their investigation led them to an address on North Central Boulevard, within 1,000 feet of the school, where they discovered a large quantity of hash oil, scales, packaging and a pound of marijuana brownies.

The case is being forwarded to the District Attorney's Office.  Anyone with information on this case should call Coquille Police at 541-396-2114.

http://kezi.com/news/local/191811

QuoteMarijuana in crib among pretrial motions for teen father charged with baby's death

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Marijuana-in-crib-among-pretrial-motions-for-teen-father-charged-with-babys-death-104769649.html

T said that there was some indisputable evidence that pot IS bad. Had to see it!

The first just says that teens do indeed use pot. I'm not for it but I'm not for teens driving cars really fast before they have good skills. Let's make cars illegal so we can protect the children. This will also jelp to starve the terrorists of their oil money in the Middle East as well as getting rid of a REAL lung hazard...carbon monoxide from exhaust.

The second is a non issue. Pot was found in the baby's crib. Did it kill the kid or was it just there? I'll bet there were blankets and pillows in there too. Many babies die from suffocating on pillows and while they are on their stomachs. Let's make cribs illegal too.  :rolleyes: :o :-*

QuotePot was found in the baby's crib.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

QuoteThis will also jelp to starve the terrorists

::O: ::O: ::O: ::O:

I dream of a world free from Risk.
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I hate that game!









Just kidding.

I love playing Risk.

Especially while stoned.

Mr Willy, marijuana did not kill the baby.  A person killed the baby.  You can probably locate 100 articles where drugs were found in the home in a case like this, and I can find 199 where no drugs were found.

We could link till the cows come home and it won't make any difference in the ACTUAL problem.

QuoteA person killed the baby.

While under the influence of mj!!!!!!

But what about all the folk who kill kids but DON'T use any drugs?  The problem is the abuse and death.  Marijuana could disappear from the planet and this would still be happening.

Why?  Why is this happening? ::(: ::(:

QuoteMarijuana and Youth – Experiences From a Practicing Physician
Christian Thurstone, M.D. 
October 13, 2010



The impact medical marijuana has had on our adolescent substance-abuse treatment program in Denver is profound.

The 2009 boom in marijuana distribution coincides with a tripling of teens referred to our program. Currently, 51 percent of our patients report getting their marijuana from someone with a medical marijuana license.

http://ofsubstance.gov/blogs/pushing_back/archive/2010/10/13/51652.aspx

QuoteOffice of National Drug Control Policy's National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign, warns about lung damage, physical and mental health consequences, and risky behaviors linked to youth marijuana use. Signatories include the American Medical Association, the American Lung Association, the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Automobile Association, the National Education Association, and the National Crime Prevention Council.

"We're speaking directly to parents about the specific ways marijuana can damage a young person's future," said John P. Walters, Director of National Drug Control Policy. "Marijuana is riskier than many parents think. Smoking marijuana hurts young bodies and minds, and more young people are in treatment for marijuana than for all other illicit drugs combined."

According to the American Psychiatric Association, marijuana use may trigger panic attacks, paranoia and even psychoses, especially if users are suffering from anxiety, depression, or having thinking problems.

"Smoking marijuana can injure or destroy lung tissue. Marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more of some cancer causing chemicals than does tobacco smoke," said John L. Kirkwood, President and CEO of the American Lung Association.

"Teens who are high on marijuana are less able to make safe, smart decisions about sex - including saying no," said Sarah Brown, Director of the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy. "Teens who have used marijuana are four times more likely to get pregnant or get someone pregnant than teens who haven't."

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Willy, about the kid raising a kid with pot in the crib....

Unless Jr. has extraordinary dexterity at that tender age, I don't think you have to worry much about him rolling a doob! It's amazing how some folks just get frantic when something involves the high holy CHILD even if it's just by association. I wonder if it would get the same response if some mommy put her purse in the stroller with hydrocodones inside? What IS the Federally Recognized Distance where inane stuff becomes dangeroo to little Bobby JUST BECAUSE it's in the same zip code? Concerned people want to know!

It's amazing how some folks just get frantic when something involves the high holy CHILD and wants to put blame on the child when  the parent was high on mj, but other mj user does not know who to blame.....

QuoteWilly, about the kid raising a kid with pot in the crib....

QuoteUnless Jr. has extraordinary dexterity at that tender age, I don't think you have to worry much about him rolling a doob!

the boy's spinal cord was extended or bent until broken in a manner that is unknown by a pot heads are you all proud of that.........

Do you care about ALL of the dead children, or only the ones where Google hits on "marijuana?"

If there was no marijuana, the children would still be dying at the hands of family.

Don't you care about all the children killed by sober adults?

QuoteDon't you care about all the children killed by sober adults?

Then by what you are not saying you don't care about all the children killed by the pot heads....

[quoteQuote
Willy, about the kid raising a kid with pot in the crib....

Quote
Unless Jr. has extraordinary dexterity at that tender age, I don't think you have to worry much about him rolling a doob!

the boy's spinal cord was extended or bent until broken in a manner that is unknown by a pot heads are you all proud of that.........][/quote]

QuoteMom arrested after toddler eats marijuana
A mother and her roommate have been charged with reckless endangerment of a child after her 2-year-old daughter ate marijuana she found in a motel room.

Twenty-two-year old Nicole S. Corbett and 25-year-old Fernando V. Booker, both of Manassas, were also charged with marijuana possession.

Prince William Police spokesman Jonathan Perok said the mother called 911 Thursday morning to report a possible overdose at a Red Roof Inn near Manassas after the toddler ingested an unknown amount of marijuana. Perok said the girl did not need to be hospitalized and is now in the custody of child protective services.

Corbett and Booker are being held without bond at the county jail.

-- Associated Press


By Washington Post editors  | October 8, 2010; 4:40 PM ET

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/local-breaking-news/mom-arrested-after-toddler-eat.html

Why do you think that marijuana caused someone to become so incredibly violent towards a child?

I think he was a violent person.

In your second post, the child ate marijuana and was not harmed.  This should be a non-issue.  Would you call 9-1-1 if your child ate an unknown amount of dandelion foliage?  No, because dandelions are just a weed.  So is marijuana.  The only reason the young woman called 9-1-1 is because marijuana is subject to a giant scare campaign.  "Oh, my God, she ate some leaves!  The horror!"  If she ate a zinnia people would be running for the video camera, hoping to win Funniest Home Video.

The marijuana is obviously non-poisonous, and now look at what has happened.  All of those folks lives are ruined.   

The only reason the young woman called 9-1-1 is because she was probably high on marijuana that has effected her brain.. ;D ;D

 ::D:

Quote from: mr.willy on October 14, 2010, 09:44:53 PM
The only reason the young woman called 9-1-1 is

because she was probably high on marijuana that has effected her brain.. ;D ;D


     OK, here we go with another iron clad statment "The only reason the young woman called 9-1-1" WAIT!! here's something that maybe makes this a quite biased opinion because she was probably high on marijuana that has effected her brain.. . Yep, she was definitely, without doubt, probably high on marijuana.

We've heard all the horror stories of babyheart eating mothers and people that think they can fly. Mentally ill people exist outside the realm of marijuana. So do 19 year old boys that can't get the little one to stop crying. People are quite capable of horrific things without outside influence. People are also quite capable of being naive and given to panic(like the young mother) WITHOUT any thing in their system.Not that it matters to you but people under the influence of marijuana aren't known for violent outbursts.

Another fun morning shooting down your flying hypothesis' of fear. It helps that you don't know anything besides what you read in the anti-pot sites.

If you don't like it, don't do it. I don't like Brussels Sprouts so I don't eat them. They are of NO threat to me or the American way! See ya!  ::D:

QuoteI don't like Brussels Sprouts so I don't eat them.

Brussels Sprouts is not a drug, Marijuana users also suffer from severe withdraw symptoms when the drug is not accessible to them. They often have cravings that are uncontrollable and these can lead to results that are damaging.

Quote from: mr.willy on October 15, 2010, 08:55:16 AM
Brussels Sprouts is not a drugReally? You sure?, Marijuana users also suffer from severe withdraw symptoms when the drug is not accessible to them.Well I better go score a fat sack for me. They often have cravings that are uncontrollable and these can lead to results that are damaging.Cant...Control....Urges....Need....Weed....Before....Damages.....Happen....Save me mr. willy! ;D

Quote
I don't like Brussels Sprouts so I don't eat them.



Brussels Sprouts is not a drug, Marijuana users also suffer from severe withdraw symptoms when the drug is not accessible to them. They often have cravings that are uncontrollable and these can lead to results that are damaging.

"I" eat  Brussels Sprouts , Asparagus, cabbage, lettece, mustard greens, 'green beans', green tomatoes {fried}, 'i' do not dry them out and smok'm 'but it's a thought'[/i].  New cure for withdrawl: smoke a bean.
[color=redMarijuana users also suffer from severe withdraw symptoms when the drug is not accessible to them.][/color]
Any u guys had that happen to ... " U " ...  ?

 ::O:  :rolleyes: 'i' guess 'my' Mist is a drug cause 'i' do suffer withdrawal if there's a lack of accessability!
'i' got go to a stronger drug, ... Captain Morgans Rum, Montana de Azul  [ GOLD TEQUILA ], or possibly a " BUD! "

Quote from: mr.willy on October 15, 2010, 08:55:16 AM
Brussels Sprouts is not a drug, Marijuana users also suffer from severe withdraw symptoms when the drug is not accessible to them. They often have cravings that are uncontrollable and these can lead to results that are damaging.

That is a bunch of crap and hyperbole created by the mary jane hatchet squad. You cannot prove this at all! More "say it and it is so" methodology!

All of the folks I know who partook or partake of the weed, are more inclined to sit on the couch and eat chips and dip, than to do something that requires even the slightest bit of physical exertion. They are more inclined to laugh or sleep than to argue even. . .

As to its "possible" physical implications, I suggest that most of the legal smokes and drinks out there are just as harmful, and even more harmful, than weed is. You just choose to endorse the party propaganda that was created back in the day as a scare tactic, and is still being utilized as such.

If weed is so harmful then how come millions of baby boomers and children of the 60's are basically normal, with no higher level of physical or mental incapacitation than has been seen throughout history? Why aren't there roving bands of "hopped up pot heads" robbing and killing human beings indiscriminately? Oh, there are! They are called drug dealers.

Legalize the weed and eliminate the middle man drug dealers. Its pretty simple really. Same methodology that was utilized to eliminate prohibition. (Another example of religious fear mongering resulting in stupid laws).

Legalize it, tax it, and watch our economy grow!!!!!

*** Just in case "U" didn't know ////

Nutritional and medicinal value
Brussels sprouts, raw (edible parts) Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz)
Energy 179 kJ (43 kcal)
Carbohydrates 8.95 g
Sugars 2.2 g
Dietary fiber 3.8 g
Fat 0.30 g
Protein 3.38 g
Vitamin A equiv. 38 μg (4%)
Thiamine (Vit. B1) 0.139 mg (11%)
Riboflavin (Vit. B2) 0.090 mg (6%)
Niacin (Vit. B3) 0.745 mg (5%)
Pantothenic acid (B5) 0.309 mg (6%)
Folate (Vit. B9) 61 μg (15%)
Vitamin C 85 mg (142%)
Vitamin E 0.88 mg (6%)
Calcium 42 mg (4%)
Iron 1.4 mg (11%)
Magnesium 23 mg (6%)
Phosphorus 69 mg (10%)
Potassium 389 mg (8%)
Sodium 25 mg (1%)
Zinc 0.42 mg (4%)
Percentages are relative to US recommendations for adults.
Source: USDA Nutrient database
Brussels sprouts, as with broccoli and other brassicas, contains sulforaphane, a chemical believed to have potent anti-cancer properties. Although boiling reduces the level of the anti-cancer compounds, steaming, microwaving, and stir frying does not result in significant loss.[10]

Brussels sprouts are also a source of indole-3-carbinol, a chemical which boosts DNA repair in cells and appears to block the growth of cancer cells

The legalization of mj for medical or general use would increase marijuana use rather than reduce it and would also lead to increased rates of addiction to marijuana among both youth and adults.

legalizing mj is not a smart public health or public safety strategy for any state or for our nation.

QuoteBrussels sprouts, as with broccoli and other brassicas, contains sulforaphane, a chemical believed to have potent anti-cancer properties. Although boiling reduces the level of the anti-cancer compounds, steaming, microwaving, and stir frying does not result in significant loss.

;D ;D

Quote from: mr.willy on October 15, 2010, 03:18:00 PM
The legalization of mj for medical or general use would increase marijuana use rather than reduce it and would also lead to increased rates of addiction to marijuana among both youth and adults.

legalizing mj is not a smart public health or public safety strategy for any state or for our nation.
;D ;D

I challenge you to prove it is addictive! Nicotine is more addictive than THC, and I have known people to stop using MJ cold turkey and quit for years, and never go through anything worse than a headache surrounding so called withdrawl symptoms. . . ::)

QuoteFinally! The Cannabis Coach™ Is Here To Help You Stop Smoking Using A Proven Program That Has A 100% Success Rate!!

http://www.cannabiscoach.com/?hop=619t8deeds

QuoteI challenge you to prove it is addictive! Nicotine is more addictive than THC,

::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

QuoteHow addictive is marijuana?
There has been conflicting research linking marijuana and addiction. Although pot has not shown signs of causing severe physical dependence and withdrawal symptoms, associated with drugs like cocaine and heroine, marijuana often causes psychological dependence. This means that the user experiences a psychological need for the drug and its effects in order to function on a daily basis.

If I quit marijuana, will I experience withdrawal symptoms?
The severity of withdrawal symptoms depends on the level of your habit, but if you smoke heavily, you are likely to experience psychological withdrawal, such as feeling sick. You may also experience chronic fatigue, headaches, mood changes, and feel depressed or anxious. Other withdrawal symptoms include nervousness, insomnia, loss of appetite, chills, and tremors. Impaired brain functioning can include short-term memory loss and inability to think abstractly.

http://www.princeton.edu/uhs/healthy-living/hot-topics/drugs-and-smoking/#marijuana

OK Willy, why am I not suffering any of these symptoms that you keep going on about? Where is my violent tendencies. Why don't I hurt or feel depressed when I go months in between smoking? It's because you STILL have NO idea what you are talking about. All you can do is post script from sources that get government money.

You can certainly go on and on but you're wrong. You're a one person army of disinformation arguing with SOME folks that KNOW what the REAL story is.

Pollyanna or DEA plant? Either way, your side is losing. Public support for an expensive war on marijuana is starting to wane. Even my dear departed dad, who supported marijuana convictions for years, finally saw the stupidity of Blackwater type operations on the citizen's dime!

See ya, gotta go paint now. I hope one of those violent withdrawal symptoms don't hit me while I'm up on the ladder!  ::D:

hammondjam marijuana dose not effect everyone the same way! I'm not a person  of disinformation and according to you there is no danger of mj, and that is  not the truth...

 

Joseph Gordon admits he enjoys smoking weed once a month and doubts that he will ever be able to kick the habit for good, so hammondjam is that addiction and even  Palehorse in is post said

QuoteNicotine is more addictive than THC

;D more addictive, he just admitted that mj is addictive.

what about Thanksgiving turkey. now that's definitely addictive. what's that called triptifan? Makes me sleepy and crave more turkey.  makes men all over have the uncontrollable urge to undo the pants. Must have more turkey. ::D: ::p:

The excuses on this post to legalize marijuana is comical. One person said on this forum said it was only a herb and could not hurt anyone, and another says marijuana is a drug, but it is only for relieving pain. Do you know of another drug that you smoke? I read in a article about marijuana that it contains almost 145 different chemicals, a lot.

The chemical that relieves pain is called THC and is available in prescription form that your doctor can write and you get at your local drug store. It is called MARINOL, and it is for nausea symptoms caused by chemotheropy and other illness that causes nausea. It contains a controlled amount of THC and is more effective in treating symptoms than marijuana. Strange that no one has mentioned this fact because it does not get you high.

QuoteUSES: This medication is used to treat nausea and vomiting caused by cancerchemotherapy. It is used when other drugs to control nausea and vomiting have not been successful. Dronabinol is also used to treat loss of appetite and weight loss in patients infected with HIV (the virus that causes AIDS). Dronabinol (also called THC) is a man-made form of the active natural substance in marijuana.

http://www.medicinenet.com/dronabinol-oral/article.htm

Quote from: mr.willy on October 17, 2010, 09:22:03 AM
Joseph Gordon admits he enjoys smoking weed once a month and doubts that he will ever be able to kick the habit for good, so hammondjam is that addiction and even  Palehorse in is post said  ;D more addictive, he just admitted that mj is addictive.

Typical. . . when you cannot provide empirical evidence to support your perspectives, spin, spin, spin.

You are an old school bible thumper aren't you?

QuoteYou are an old school bible thumper aren't you?

::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

No Palehorse I'm not a bible thumper, havent been to church in a long time, sense my father's funeral in 1976, sorry to prove you wrong again and you did admit that mj is addictive your own words.

QuoteNicotine is more addictive than THC

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Need to bring all of this forward,so no one will miss it

QuoteThe excuses on this post to legalize marijuana is comical. One person said on this forum said it was only a herb and could not hurt anyone, and another says marijuana is a drug, but it is only for relieving pain. Do you know of another drug that you smoke? I read in a article about marijuana that it contains almost 145 different chemicals, a lot.

The chemical that relieves pain is called THC and is available in prescription form that your doctor can write and you get at your local drug store. It is called MARINOL, and it is for nausea symptoms caused by chemotheropy and other illness that causes nausea. It contains a controlled amount of THC and is more effective in treating symptoms than marijuana. Strange that no one has mentioned this fact because it does not get you high.

QuoteThe excuses on this post to legalize marijuana is comical. One person said on this forum said it was only a herb and could not hurt anyone, and another says marijuana is a drug, but it is only for relieving pain. Do you know of another drug that you smoke? I read in a article about marijuana that it contains almost 145 different chemicals, a lot.

The chemical that relieves pain is called THC and is available in prescription form that your doctor can write and you get at your local drug store. It is called MARINOL, and it is for nausea symptoms caused by chemotheropy and other illness that causes nausea. It contains a controlled amount of THC and is more effective in treating symptoms than marijuana. Strange that no one has mentioned this fact because it does not get you high.

QuoteUSES: This medication is used to treat nausea and vomiting caused by cancerchemotherapy. It is used when other drugs to control nausea and vomiting have not been successful. Dronabinol is also used to treat loss of appetite and weight loss in patients infected with HIV (the virus that causes AIDS). Dronabinol (also called THC) is a man-made form of the active natural substance in marijuana.
http://www.medicinenet.com/dronabinol-oral/article.htm

Quote from: mr.willy on October 17, 2010, 01:37:05 PM
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No Palehorse I'm not a bible thumper, havent been to church in a long time, sense my father's funeral in 1976, sorry to prove you wrong again and you did admit that mj is addictive your own words.  ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Need to bring all of this forward,so no one will miss it

So you're just a rabble rouser then? With old school beliefs that utilize scare tactics that are devoid of factual evidence or validated science?

ALL things are addictive to a degree, dependent upon the constitution of the mind of the subject. If you are weak, you are more prone to addiction than another. It wouldn't matter if it was booze, tobacco, drugs, or the internet; if you derived a sense of pleasure from it you would be in danger of addiction. Some people never learn their limitations, and still others seem to believe it is the governments responsibility to do it for them.

That will not work, as prohibition so poignantly proved by giving a foothold to organized crime within this country. One would think that this country would have learned from such an obvious mistake, but clearly we have not as the decades long war on weed has once again proven.

Alcohol is a far more prevalent destroyer of society and humanity, and the physical addiction it drives costs this country and its citizens untold millions each year. Yet, as was proven by prohibition, society will drink whether it is legal or not, no matter what the risks. Has not the last 50 years proven the very same thing surrounding marijuana, and given rise to yet another version of the organized crime element in the drug cartels and dealers? Once again, billions in annual revenue passed over in the name of ignorance. How long before the government of this country gets it and turns the tables on the drug dealers and cartels, by legalizing marijuana and taxing it?

With individuals like you spewing the latest propaganda and old school fear mongering, it may be a while yet. But, sooner or later this nation will smarten up. I just hope it is the former. . .

Palehorse where is your factual evidence or validated science for mj, Haven't seen any from you and addiction of mj  drives everyones cost up, you just keep on spinning and spinning I have now been called a old school bible thumper, rabble rouser, a Troll, I will not even mention what  hammondjam said about me on another string. ::D: ::D: regardless with what happens with mj organized crime element and the drug cartels and dealers will still be around and you darn well know it..

Keep on spinning and spinning Palehorse because YOU  cannot provide empirical evidence to support your perspectives on MJ.

food is addictive better ban it

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Statement from ONDCP Director R. Gil Kerlikowske
Why Marijuana Legalization Would Compromise Public Health and Public Safety
Annotated Remarks1
Delivered at the California Police Chiefs Association Conference
March 4th, 2010
San Jose, CA
Thank you for inviting me here today to address your conference. I especially want to thank Chief Rob Davis for that introduction.
Furthermore, I'd like to congratulate and thank your new President, Susan Manheimer.
I also want to acknowledge my friend, Barney Malekian, and congratulate him on his appointment as the COPS Director. I believe our appointments speak very clearly about the level of support and respect this Administration has for local law enforcement.
1 A few data points have been updated from the original version of the speech to ensure data accuracy.
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You have been at the forefront of some very controversial issues, and I appreciate your leadership. Other states look to California for guidance, and your thoughtful and timely efforts on drug issues ranging from medical marijuana to pseudoephedrine are important for the health and safety of all Americans.
When President Obama asked me to serve as Director of National Drug Control Policy, he explained that one of my first duties would be drafting his Administration's first National Drug Control Strategy, laying out the policies and programs best suited to curb drug use and its consequences.
But the President didn't want a traditional policy paper, with a few people from Washington putting their ideas down and then submitting to Congress a plan that would be forgotten or disregarded by the field. Instead, he asked me to travel the country and sit down with people on every side of this issue.
Since my confirmation, I've visited 37 cities in 19 states, as well as 8 foreign countries, holding roundtable discussions and meeting with hundreds of drug prevention and treatment experts, local officials, law enforcement, parents, teachers, community groups, academics, and young people.
We also convened a working group made up of the 35 Federal agencies with a role in the anti-drug effort. The group's task was to develop a coordinated approach at the Federal level.
These months of consultations across the country helped highlight an important truth – that public safety and public health are
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threatened by drug use and its consequences. Addressing these challenges requires a balanced, comprehensive, and evidence-based approach.
The Administration's Drug Control Strategy, which will be released soon, will build on the hard-won knowledge we already have, but it will also incorporate new information and new tools that experience in the trenches and our best research have provided us.
The scope of our country's drug problem is disturbingly clear: drug overdoses outnumber gunshot deaths in America and are fast approaching motor vehicle crashes as the leading cause of accidental death. It's hard to believe since we seem to hear much more about H1N1, the Toyota recall, and texting while driving.
We are also deeply concerned about two relatively recent threats to public safety and public health: prescription drug abuse and drugged driving.
Prescription drug abuse harms the people who take these pills and those close to them. While we must ensure access to medications that alleviate suffering, it is also vital that we do all we can to curtail diversion and abuse of pharmaceuticals.
Past-year initiation of non-medical prescription drug use has surpassed the rate for marijuana.2 Moreover, between 1997 and 2007, treatment admissions for prescription painkillers increased
2 Results from the 2008 National Survey on Drug Use and Health: National Findings, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), 2009
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more than 400 percent. The latest data from the Monitoring the Future study show that seven out of the top ten drugs used by teens are prescription drugs.3
And between 2004 and 2008, the number of visits to hospital emergency departments involving the non-medical use of narcotic painkillers increased 111 percent.4
Because prescription drugs are legal, they are easily accessible, often from a home medicine cabinet. Further, some individuals who misuse prescription drugs, particularly teens, believe these substances are safer than illicit drugs because they are prescribed by a healthcare professional and sold behind the counter. This is not the drug that people buy behind a gas station wrapped in tin foil, and so people think it is somehow safer.
We know from the latest National Survey on Drug Use and Health that most people who abuse these drugs are getting them from friends and family or from a doctor.5
As law enforcement professionals and community leaders, you can help spread an important message to parents and other adults: If you have unused prescription drugs in your home, dispose of them properly. I also know that many of you have initiated take-backs with the community to help this problem, and I applaud you for that.
3 Treatment Episode Data Set (TEDS) Highlights - 2007, SAMHSA: National Admissions to Substance Abuse Treatment Services.
4 Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN), SAMHSA, 2010. Found at https://dawninfo.samhsa.gov/
5 See Supra note 1.
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Another priority for us this year is drugged driving.
A Department of Transportation study released in December showed that 1 in 8 nighttime weekend drivers tested positive for an illicit drug (1 in 6 when you include illicit drugs or pharmaceuticals).6
This study highlighted the alarming prevalence of drugged driving, and I've made anti-drugged driving efforts a top priority.
We will be assessing how we can help states deal with this issue, and I will be meeting with leaders – from trainers of Drug Recognition Experts (DRE), to police chiefs, researchers, and policy makers –to see how the Administration can engage with them to reduce this threat.
This evening I'll be in Sacramento, meeting with 30 officers currently undergoing DRE training. I will encourage them in their efforts and sit down with them to better understand the issues they face in this area.
I know it is impossible to talk about drug policy issues ranging from prevention to policing, from drugged driving to treatment, without mentioning the role of the most commonly used illicit drug today – marijuana.
6 2007 National Roadside Survey of Alcohol and Drug Use by Drivers: Drug Results, U.S. Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, December 2009. Accessible at http://www.ondcp.gov/publications/pdf/07roadsidesurvey.pdf
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You all know the impacts of marijuana in this state– from the proliferation of marijuana being grown on public lands and indoor grows, to the negative effects of marijuana use among youth, the increasing influence of violent gangs on the marijuana trade, and the problems associated with medical marijuana dispensaries.
As I've said from the day I was sworn in, marijuana legalization – for any purpose – is a non-starter in the Obama Administration. I'd like to explain why we take this position.
First, on the medical marijuana issue, I believe that the science should determine what a medicine is, not popular vote.
We've seen the problems of medical marijuana here in this state but also in places like Colorado, too, where kids are given the message that since marijuana is a medicine, it must be safe.7
But we've also seen how localities are dealing with this, with success, through zoning, planning regulations, nuisance laws, and other mechanisms.
I recently met with officials from the Netherlands, they are closing down marijuana outlets – or "coffee shops" – because of the nuisance and crime risks associated with them. What used to be thousands of shops have now been reduced to a few hundred, and some cities are shutting them down completely.8
7 "Doctor says medical marijuana laws hurt teens," NPR. Talk of the Nation, Feb, 10, 2010. Accessible at http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=5&prgDate=02-10-2010
8 "Government to scale down coffee shops," Ministry of Health, Welfare, and Sport, Sept. 11, 2009. Accessible at http://www.minvws.nl/en/nieuwsberichten/vgp/2009/government-to-scale-down-coffee-shops.asp. Also see "Dutch border towns to close coffee-shops," Expatica, October 24, 2008, http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/local_news/Dutch-border-towns-close-coffee_shops.html. It is also worth noting that research from MacCoun, R. and Reuter, P. (2001; Drug War Heresies, Cambridge University Press) shows that,
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This brings me to the issue of outright legalization.
The concern with marijuana is not born out of any culture-war mentality, but out of what the science tells us about the drug's effects.
And the science, though still evolving, is clear: marijuana use is harmful. It is associated with dependence, respiratory and mental illness, poor motor performance, and cognitive impairment, among other negative effects.9
We know that over 120,000 people who showed up voluntarily at treatment facilities in 2007 reported marijuana as their primary
despite traditionally higher rates of marijuana use in the U.S., there was a tripling in lifetime marijuana use and a more than doubling of past-month use among 18- to 20-year-olds in the Netherlands from 1984 to 1996 – a time when the commercialization of Dutch coffee shops was rapidly expanding.
9 Moore and colleagues (2005) summed up the literature on respiratory illnesses and marijuana in the 7See Moore, B.A., et al, Respiratory effects of marijuana and tobacco use in a U.S. sample, Journal of General Internal Medicine 20(1):33-37, 2005. Also see Tashkin, D.P., Smoked marijuana as a cause of lung injury, Monaldi Archives for Chest Disease 63(2):93-100, 2005. Other evidence on the effect of marijuana on lung function and the respiratory system, and the link with mental illness, can be found in expert reviews offered by Hall W.D, and Pacula R.L. (2003), Cannabis use and dependence: Public health and public policy. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press., and Room, R., Fischer, B., Hall, W., Lenton, S., and Reuter, P. (2009), Cannabis Policy: Moving beyond stalemate, The Global Cannabis Commission Report, the Beckley Foundation. Room et al. write, "Cannabis use and psychotic symptoms are associated in general population surveys and the relationship persists after adjusting for confounders. The best evidence that these associations may be causal comes from longitudinal studies of large representative cohorts." Also see Degenhardt, L. & Hall, W. (2006), Is cannabis a contributory cause of psychosis? Canadian Journal of Psychiatry, 51: 556-565. A major study examining young people and, importantly, a subset of sibling pairs was released in February 2010 and concluded that marijuana use at a young age significantly increased the risk of psychosis in young adulthood. See McGrath, J., et al. (2010), Association between cannabis use and psychosis-related outcomes using sibling pair analysis in a cohort of young adults, Archives of General Psychiatry.
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substance of abuse.10 Additionally, in 2008 marijuana was involved in 374,000 emergency visits nationwide.11
Several studies have shown that marijuana dependence is real and causes harm. We know that more than 30 percent of past-year marijuana users age 18 and older are classified as dependent on the drug,12 and that the past-year prevalence of marijuana dependence in the US population is higher than that for any other illicit drug. Those dependent on marijuana often show signs of withdrawal and compulsive behavior.13
Traveling the country, I've often heard from local treatment specialists that marijuana dependence is as a major problem at call-in centers offering help for people using drugs.
Marijuana negatively affects users in other ways, too. For example, prolonged use is associated with lower test scores and lower educational attainment because during periods of intoxication the drug affects the ability to learn and process
10 See Supra note 1.
11 See Supra note 3.
12 Compton, W., Grant, B., Colliver, J., Glantz; M., Stinson, F. (2004), Prevalence of Marijuana Use Disorders in the United States: 1991-1992 and 2001-2002, Journal of the American Medical Association, 291:2114-2121.
13 Budney, A.J. & Hughes, J.R. (2006), The cannabis withdrawal syndrome, Current Opinion in Psychiatry, 19: 233-238.; Budney, A.J., Hughes, J.R., Moore, B.A. & Vandrey, R. (2004), Review of the validity and significance of cannabis withdrawal syndrome. American Journal of Psychiatry, 161: 1967-1977.; Budney, A.J.,Vandrey, R.G., Hughes, J.R., Moore, B.A. & Bahrenburg, B. (2007), Oral delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol suppresses cannabis withdrawal symptoms, Drug and Alcohol Dependence, 86: 22-29.; Kouri, E.M. & Pope, H.G. (2000), Abstinence symptoms during withdrawal from chronic marijuana use, Experimental and Clinical Psychopharmacology, 8: 483-492.; Jones, R.T., Benowitz, N. & Herning, R.I. (1976), The 30-day trip: clinical studies of cannabis use, tolerance and dependence. In Braude, M. & Szara, S. (eds.), The Pharmacology of Marijuana. New York: Academic Press, Vol. 2, pp. 627-642.
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information, thus influencing attention, concentration, and short-term memory.14
Advocates of legalization say the costs of prohibition – mainly through the criminal justice system – place a great burden on taxpayers and governments.
While there are certainly costs to current prohibitions, legalizing drugs would not cut the costs of the criminal justice system. Arrests for alcohol-related crimes such as violations of liquor laws and driving under the influence totaled nearly 2.7 million in 2008. Marijuana-possession arrests totaled around 750,000 in 2008. 15
Our current experience with legal, regulated prescription drugs like Oxycontin shows that legalizing drugs is not a panacea. In fact, its legalization widens its availability and misuse, no matter what controls are in place. In 2006, drug-induced deaths reached a high of over 38,000, according to the Centers for Disease Control – an increase driven primarily by the non-medical use of pharmaceutical drugs.16
Controls and prohibitions help to keep prices higher, and higher prices help keep use rates relatively low, since drug use, especially among young people, is known to be sensitive to price.17
14 For a review of the evidence on marijuana and educational attainment, see: Lynskey, M.T. & Hall, W.D. (2000), The effects of adolescent cannabis use on educational attainment: a review, Addiction, 96: 433-443.
15 Federal Bureau of Investigation (2008) Uniform crime reports, Washington, DC. Available at: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm
16 Heron M., Hoyert D., Murphy S., et al. Deaths: Final data for 2006. National vital statistics reports; vol 57 no 14. Hyattsville, MD, National Center for Health Statistics, 2009. See http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf
17 For example, see: Williams, J., Pacula, R., Chaloupka, F., and Wechsler, H. (2004), "Alcohol and Marijuana Use Among College Students: Economic Complements or Substitutes?" Health Economics 13(9): 825-843.; Pacula R., Ringel, J., Suttorp, M. and Truong, K. (2008), An Examination of the Nature and Cost of Marijuana Treatment Episodes. RAND Working Paper presented at the American Society for Health Economics Annual Meeting,
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The relationship between pricing and rates of youth substance use is well-established with respect to alcohol and cigarette taxes. There is literature showing that increases in the price of cigarettes triggers declines in use.18
Marijuana has also been touted as a cure-all for disease and black market violence – and for California's budget woes. Once again, however, there are important facts that are rarely discussed in the public square.
The tax revenue collected from alcohol pales in comparison to the costs associated with it. Federal excise taxes collected on alcohol in 2007 totaled around $9 billion; states collected around $5.5 billion.19
Durham, NC, June 2008. Jacobson, M. (2004), "Baby Booms and Drug Busts: Trends in Youth Drug Use in the United States, 1975-2000," Quarterly Journal of Economics 119(4): 1481-1512.
18 See, for example, Chaloupka, F., "Macro-Social Influences: Effects of Prices and Tobacco Control Policies on the Demand for Tobacco Products," Nicotine & Tobacco Research, 1999, and other price studies at http://tigger.uic.edu/~fjc and www.uic.edu/orgs/impacteen. Orzechowski & Walker, Tax Burden on Tobacco, 2006. USDA Economic Research Service, www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/tobacco. Farelly, M., et al., State Cigarette Excise Taxes: Implications for Revenue and Tax Evasion, RTI International, May, 2003, http://www.rti.org/pubs/8742_Excise_Taxes_FR_5-03.pdf. Country tax offices. CDC, Data Highlights 2006 [and underlying CDC data/estimates]. Miller, P., et al, "Birth and First-Year Costs for Mothers and Infants Attributable to Maternal Smoking," Nicotine & Tobacco Research 3(1):25-35, February 2001. Lightwood, J. & Glantz, S., "Short-Term Economic and Health Benefits of Smoking Cessation - Myocardial Infarction and Stroke," Circulation 96(4):1089-1096, August 19, 1997, http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/96/4/1089. Hodgson, T., "Cigarette Smoking and Lifetime Medical Expenditures," The Millbank Quarterly 70(1), 1992. U.S. Census. National Center for Health Statistics.
19 See http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=399
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Taken together, this is less than 10 percent of the over $185 billion in alcohol-related costs from health care, lost productivity, and criminal justice.20
Alcohol use by underage drinkers results in $3.7 billion a year in medical costs due to traffic crashes, violent crime, suicide attempts, and other related consequences.21
Tobacco also does not carry its economic weight when we tax it; each year we spend more than $200 billion on its social costs and collect only about $25 billion in taxes.22
Though I sympathize with the current budget predicament – and acknowledge that we must find innovative solutions to get us on a path to financial stability – it is clear that the social costs of legalizing marijuana would outweigh any possible tax that could be levied. In the United States, illegal drugs already cost $180 billion a year in health care, lost productivity, crime, and other expenditures.23 That number would only increase under legalization because of increased use.
Rosy evaluations of the potential economic savings from legalization have been criticized by many in the economic
20 Harwood, H. (2000), Updating Estimates of the Economic Costs of Alcohol Abuse in the United States: Estimates, Update Methods and Data. Report prepared for the National Institute on Alcoholism and Alcohol Abuse.
21 See Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation (PIRE), 2009, Underage Drinking Costs. Accessed on March, 1, 2010. Available at http://www.udetc.org/UnderageDrinkingCosts.asp
22 State estimates found at supra note 27. Federal estimates found at https://www.policyarchive.org/bitstream/handle/10207/3314/RS20343_20020110.pdf, Also see http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/weekinreview/31saul.html?em and http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0072.pdf; Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids, see "Smoking-caused costs" on p.2.
23 The Economic Costs of Drug Abuse in the United States, 1992-2002, Office of National Drug Control Policy, Executive Office of the President, Washington, DC: (Publication No. 207303), 2004.
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community. For example, the California Board of Equalization estimated that $1.4 billion of potential revenue could arise from legalization. This assessment, according to a researcher out of the independent RAND Corporation is, and I quote, "based on a series of assumptions that are in some instances subject to tremendous uncertainty and in other cases not valid."24
Recent testimony from a RAND researcher concluded that "There is a tremendous profit motive for the existing black market providers to stay in the market, as they can still cover their costs of production and make a nice profit."25
Canada's experience with taxing cigarettes showed that a $2 tax differential per pack versus the United States created such a huge black market smuggling problem that Canada repealed its tax increases.26
Legalizing marijuana would also saddle government with the dual burden of regulating a new legal market while continuing to pay for the negative side effects associated with an underground market whose providers have little economic incentive to disappear.27
24 Pacula, R. (2009). Legalizing Marijuana: Issues to Consider Before Reforming California State Law. Accessed at www.rand.org
25 Ibid.
26 Gruber J., Sen, A. & Stabile, M. (2003), "Estimating Price Elasticities When There is Smuggling:
The Sensitivity of Smoking to Price in Canada," Journal of Health Economics 22(5): 821-842.
27 See Supra note 23.
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Now that I've told you what the research says, let me tell you what this means in practical terms. Legalization means the price comes down, the number of users goes up, the underground market adapts, and the revenue gained through a regulated market will never keep pace with the financial and social cost of making this drug more accessible.
Now let's talk about what will work to reduce drug use.
The Office of National Drug Control Policy is pursuing a combined, coordinated public health and public safety strategy.
This strategy recognizes that the most promising drug policy is one that prevents drug use in the first place.
We have many proven methods for reducing the demand for drugs. The demand can be decreased with comprehensive, evidence-based prevention programs focused on adolescence, which science confirms is the peak period for drug-use initiation and the potential for addiction.
Our young people must be made aware of the risks of drug use – at home, in school, in sports leagues, in faith communities, in places of work, and in other settings and activities that attract youth.
This is vital because an individual who reaches age 21 without smoking, using drugs or abusing alcohol is virtually certain never to do so.
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ONDCP's National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign can reinforce these efforts by connecting with youth through popular television shows, Internet sites, magazines, and films. Community anti-drug coalitions can provide an environment conducive to remaining drug-free. Expanding early intervention services for drug users and treatment options for the addicted will also be major components of our effort to reduce demand for drugs in this country.
Surveys of prevalence show that these efforts work. Drug use today remains comparatively low. Annual marijuana prevalence peaked among 12th graders in 1979 at 51 percent. By 2009, annual prevalence had fallen by about one-third. Similar statistics can be found for other age groups. However, we are seeing some troubling signs that have bubbled up in the last year or two. The perception that drugs are dangerous is dropping, and that usually predicts imminent increases in use.
At the same time, we've learned that trying to manage drug-addicted criminal offenders entirely through the criminal justice system results in a costly, destructive cycle of arrest, incarceration, release, and re-arrest.
Together, we can transform this situation through new collaborations between the criminal justice system and the treatment system. Drug courts are just one example of how these systems can work together.
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Re-entry programs that provide addiction treatment, combined with intensive monitoring and swift and certain sanctions for violations – as evidenced by Hawaii's HOPE program – are another example of the kind of scientifically supported cross-system initiatives we seek to expand, especially in the probation system, which represents a highly important but often under-utilized and forgotten role in drug and crime control.
We advocate further research on pre-arrest diversion programs like the one piloted in High Point, North Carolina. These programs threaten dealers in a community with credible sanctions, but also offer them other resources to change their lives. Research on these kinds of pre-arrest diversion programs is just emerging, but preliminary results have been positive.
We are also firm believers in the law enforcement techniques you employ every day, based on local assessments of needs and available resources.
A balanced approach based on a combination of public health and public safety strategies is the surest route to reducing drug use and its consequences. This approach employs best practices in prevention, treatment, and law enforcement with community partners. We know that working together has resulted in lowering crime and drug use.
Thank you for being on the front line of these issues. I look forward to supporting you to reduce drug use and its consequences.

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/news/speech10/030410_Chief.pdf

great special on mj on natgeo. Has a LOT on the health benefits.

Also, a former surgeon general is calling for the legalization of mj.

:)

 a sea of controversy over a statement made at World AIDS Day at the United Nations regarding the teaching of masturbation in schools, Dr. Jocelyn Elders was forced to resign her post as U.S. Surgeon General in December 1994.

Marijuana is a mixture of the dried flowering leaves and tops from the plant cannabis sativa, and it contains over 400 chemicals. A medical use of marijuana has been to lower intraocular pressure (IOP) in patients with primary open-angle glaucoma (POAG).

QuoteCONCLUSIONS
Based on reviews by the National Eye Institute (NEI) and the Institute of Medicine and on available scientific evidence, the Task Force on Complementary Therapies believes that no scientific evidence has been found that demonstrates increased benefits and/or diminished risks of marijuana use to treat glaucoma compared with the wide variety of pharmaceutical agents now available.

BENEFITS
Initial studies in the 1970s reported that smoked marijuana resulted in lower IOP hours after administration. The NEI-sponsored studies demonstrated that some derivatives of marijuana did result in lowering of IOP when administered orally, intravenously, or by smoking, but not when topically applied to the eye. The duration of the pressure-lowering effect is reported to be in the range of 3 to 4 hours. Benefits also include euphoria as an acute effect.

RISKS
Potentially serious side effects associated with smoking marijuana include an increased heart rate and a decrease in blood pressure. Studies of single-administration marijuana use have shown a lowering of blood pressure concurrent with the lowering of IOP. This raises concerns that there may be compromised blood flow to the optic nerve, but no data have been published on the long-term systemic and ocular effects from the use of marijuana by patients with glaucoma.

Other adverse effects from the use of marijuana that have been reported include conjunctival hyperemia, impaired immune system response, impaired memory for recent events, difficulty concentrating, impaired motor coordination, tolerance to repeated doses, and short-term withdrawal symptoms after cessation. Smoking of marijuana also can lead to emphysema-like lung changes, increased risk of cancer, and poor pregnancy outcomes. Because duration of the induced fall in IOP is short, an individual would have to smoke a marijuana cigarette eight to ten times a day in order to control IOP over 24 hours.

http://www.eyecareamerica.org/eyecare/treatment/alternative-therapies/marijuana-glaucoma.cfm

You are just afraid willy. . . why not just admit it and move on?

Quote from: mr.willy on October 17, 2010, 02:59:58 PM
Palehorse where is your factual evidence or validated science for mj, Haven't seen any from you and addiction of mj  drives everyones cost up, you just keep on spinning and spinning I have now been called a old school bible thumper, rabble rouser, a Troll, I will not even mention what  hammondjam said about me on another string. ::D: ::D: regardless with what happens with mj organized crime element and the drug cartels and dealers will still be around and you darn well know it..

Keep on spinning and spinning Palehorse because YOU  cannot provide empirical evidence to support your perspectives on MJ.

(marijuana - global prevalence)
(2008) "Globally, the number of people who had used cannabis at least once in 2008 is estimated between 129 and 191 million, or 2.9% to 4.3% of the world population aged 15 to 64. ... National experts in many parts of the world perceive cannabis use to be either stabilizing or increasing, although about 15 countries reported a decrease in 2007 and 2008."

(2007) "The global number of people who used cannabis at least once in 2007 is estimated to be between 143 and 190 million persons. The highest levels of use remain in the established markets of North America and Western Europe, although there are signs from recent studies that the levels of use are declining in developed countries, particularly among young people."

(2004) "Cannabis remains by far the most commonly used drug in the world. An estimated 162 million people used cannabis in 2004, equivalent to some 4 per cent of the global population age 15-64. In relative terms, cannabis use is most prevalent in Oceania, followed by North America and Africa. While Asia has the lowest prevalence expressed as part of the population, in absolute terms it is the region that is home to some 52 million cannabis users, more than a third of the estimated total. The next largest markets, in absolute terms, are Africa and North America."

Source: United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, "World Drug Report 2010" (United Nations: Vienna, Austria, 2010), p. 194.
http://www.unodc.org/documents/wdr/WDR_2010/World_Drug_Report_2010_lo-re...
United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, "World Drug Report 2009" (United Nations: Vienna, Austria, 2009), p. 89.
http://www.unodc.org/documents/wdr/WDR_2009/WDR2009_eng_web.pdf
United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, "World Drug Report 2006, Volume 1: Analysis" (United Nations: Vienna, Austria, 2006), p. 23.
http://www.unodc.org/pdf/WDR_2006/wdr2006_volume1.pdf (http://www.unodc.org/pdf/WDR_2006/wdr2006_volume1.pdf)

(2007 - risk of arrest) "To provide a sense of the intensity of enforcement, we calculated the risk a marijuana user faces of being arrested for possession. If calculated per joint consumed, the figure nationally is trivial—perhaps one arrest for every 11,000–12,000 joints.4 However, the relevant risk may be the probability of being arrested during a year of normal consumption. Since marijuana is mostly consumed by individuals who use it at least once a month,5 we estimated the risk that such individuals face. We know from prior studies (e.g., Reuter, Hirschfield, and Davies, 2001) that these risks are higher for youth. Table 2.2 presents separate estimates for those aged 12–17 and for the entire population 12 and over. We observe that the annual risk of misdemeanor arrest for those 12–17 (6.6 percent) is more than twice the rate for the full population (3.0 percent)."

Source: Kilmer, Beau; Caulkins, Jonathan P.; Pacula, Rosalie Liccardo; MacCoun, Robert J.; Reuter, Peter H., "Altered State? Assessing How Marijuana Legalization in California Could Influence Marijuana Consumption and Public Budgets" Drug Policy Research Center (Santa Monica, CA: RAND Corporation, 2010), p. 8.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/occasional_papers/2010/RAND_OP315.pdf (http://www.rand.org/pubs/occasional_papers/2010/RAND_OP315.pdf)

(2006 - marijuana treatment admissions by the criminal justice system) "More than half (58 percent) of primary marijuana admissions were referred to treatment through the criminal justice system."

Source: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Office of Applied Studies. Treatment Episode Data Set (TEDS): 1996-2006. National Admissions to Substance Abuse Treatment Services, DASIS Series: S-43, DHHS Publication No. (SMA) 08-4347, Rockville, MD, 2008, p. 41.
http://wwwdasis.samhsa.gov/teds06/teds2k6aweb508.pdf (http://wwwdasis.samhsa.gov/teds06/teds2k6aweb508.pdf)

(1992-2002 - marijuana treatment admissions) "... between these years [1992 and 2002] the rate of substance abuse treatment admissions reporting marijuana as their primary substance of abuse3 per 100,000 population increased 162 percent. Similarly, the proportion of marijuana admissions increased from 6 percent of all admissions in 1992 to 15 percent of all admissions reported to the Treatment Episode Data Set (TEDS) in 2002.

"During this time period, the percentage of marijuana treatment admissions that were referred from the criminal justice system increased from 48 percent of all marijuana admissions in 1992 to 58 percent of all marijuana admissions in 2002."

Source: "Differences in Marijuana Admissions Based on Source of Referral: 2002," The DASIS Report (Rockville, MD: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Office of Applied Studies, June 5, 2005), pp. 1-2.
http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k5/MJreferrals/MJreferrals.pdf (http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k5/MJreferrals/MJreferrals.pdf)

(marijuana and safety) When examining the health affects of marijuana use, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded,

"A careful search of the literature and testimony of the nation's health officials has not revealed a single human fatality in the United States proven to have resulted solely from ingestion of marihuana. Experiments with the drug in monkeys demonstrated that the dose required for overdose death was enormous and for all practical purposes unachievable by humans smoking marihuana. This is in marked contrast to other substances in common use, most notably alcohol and barbiturate sleeping pills."

The World Health Organization reached the same conclusion in 1995.

Source: Shafer, Raymond P., et al, Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding, Ch. III, (Washington DC: National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, 1972);
http://druglibrary.net/schaffer/Library/studies/nc/ncc3.htm
Hall, W., Room, R. & Bondy, S., WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use: A Comparative Appraisal of the Health and Psychological Consequences of Alcohol, Cannabis, Nicotine and Opiate Use, August 28, 1995, (Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, March 1998).
http://www.druglibrary.net/schaffer/hemp/general/who-index.htm (http://www.druglibrary.net/schaffer/hemp/general/who-index.htm)

(marijuana and cognition) "In conclusion, our meta-analysis of studies that have attempted to address the question of longer term neurocognitive disturbance in moderate and heavy cannabis users has failed to demonstrate a substantial, systematic, and detrimental effect of cannabis use on neuropsychological performance. It was surprising to find such few and small effects given that most of the potential biases inherent in our analyses actually increased the likelihood of finding a cannabis effect."

Source: Grant, Igor, et al., "Non-Acute (Residual) Neurocognitive Effects Of Cannabis Use: A Meta-Analytic Study," Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society (Cambridge University Press: July 2003), 9, p. 687.
http://www.csdp.org/research/348art2003.pdf (http://www.csdp.org/research/348art2003.pdf)

(marijuana and cognition) "The results of our meta-analytic study failed to reveal a substantial, systematic effect of long-term, regular cannabis consumption on the neurocognitive functioning of users who were not acutely intoxicated. For six of the eight neurocognitive ability areas that were surveyed. the confidence intervals for the average effect sizes across studies overlapped zero in each instance, indicating that the effect size could not be distinguished from zero. The two exceptions were in the domains of learning and forgetting."

Source: Grant, Igor, et al., "Non-Acute (Residual) Neurocognitive Effects Of Cannabis Use: A Meta-Analytic Study," Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society (Cambridge University Press: July 2003), 9, p. 685.
http://www.csdp.org/research/348art2003.pdf (http://www.csdp.org/research/348art2003.pdf)

(marijuana and cognition) "Current marijuana use had a negative effect on global IQ score only in subjects who smoked 5 or more joints per week. A negative effect was not observed among subjects who had previously been heavy users but were no longer using the substance. We conclude that marijuana does not have a long-term negative impact on global intelligence. Whether the absence of a residual marijuana effect would also be evident in more specific cognitive domains such as memory and attention remains to be ascertained."

Source: Fried, Peter, Barbara Watkinson, Deborah James, and Robert Gray, "Current and former marijuana use: preliminary findings of a longitudinal study of effects on IQ in young adults," Canadian Medical Association Journal, April 2, 2002, 166(7), p. 887.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC100921/pdf/20020402s00015p88... (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC100921/pdf/20020402s00015p88...)

(marijuana and cognition) "Although the heavy current users experienced a decrease in IQ score, their scores were still above average at the young adult assessment (mean 105.1). If we had not assessed preteen IQ, these subjects would have appeared to be functioning normally. Only with knowledge of the change in IQ score does the negative impact of current heavy use become apparent."

Source: Fried, Peter, Barbara Watkinson, Deborah James, and Robert Gray, "Current and former marijuana use: preliminary findings of a longitudinal study of effects on IQ in young adults," Canadian Medical Association Journal, April 2, 2002, 166(7), p. 890.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC100921/pdf/20020402s00015p88... (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC100921/pdf/20020402s00015p88...)

(marijuana and cognition) A Johns Hopkins study published in May 1999, examined marijuana's effects on cognition on 1,318 participants over a 15 year period. Researchers reported "no significant differences in cognitive decline between heavy users, light users, and nonusers of cannabis." They also found "no male-female differences in cognitive decline in relation to cannabis use." "These results ... seem to provide strong evidence of the absence of a long-term residual effect of cannabis use on cognition," they concluded.

Source: Constantine G. Lyketsos, Elizabeth Garrett, Kung-Yee Liang, and James C. Anthony. (1999). "Cannabis Use and Cognitive Decline in Persons under 65 Years of Age," American Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 149, No. 9
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10221315 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10221315)

marijuana and motivation) Some claim that cannabis use leads to "adult amotivation." The World Health Organization report addresses the issue and states, "it is doubtful that cannabis use produces a well defined amotivational syndrome." The report also notes that the value of studies which support the "adult amotivation" theory are "limited by their small sample sizes" and lack of representative social/cultural groups.

Source: Hall, W., Room, R. & Bondy, S., WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use: A Comparative Appraisal of the Health and Psychological Consequences of Alcohol, Cannabis, Nicotine and Opiate Use, August 28, 1995 (Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, March 1998).
http://www.druglibrary.net/schaffer/hemp/general/who-probable.htm (http://www.druglibrary.net/schaffer/hemp/general/who-probable.htm)


(marijuana and psychosis) "... the expected rise in diagnoses of schizophrenia and psychoses did not occur over a 10 year period. This study does not therefore support the specific causal link between cannabis use and the incidence of psychotic disorders based on the 3 assumptions described in the Introduction. This concurs with other reports indicating that increases in population cannabis use have not been followed by increases in psychotic incidence (Macleod et al., 2006; Arsenault et al., 2004; Rey and Tennant, 2002)."

Source: Frisher, Martin; Crome, Ilana; Orsolina, Martino; and Croft, Peter, "Assessing the impact of cannabis use on trends in diagnosed schizophrenia in the United Kingdom from 1996 to 2005," Schizophrenia Research (Nashville, Tennessee: Schizophrenia International Research Society, September 2009) Vol. 113, Issue 2, p. 126.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/keele_study/Assessing-the-impact-of-cannab... (http://www.ukcia.org/research/keele_study/Assessing-the-impact-of-cannab...)

(marijuana and psychosis) The Christchurch Press reported on March 22, 2005, that "The lead researcher in the Christchurch study, Professor David Fergusson, said the role of cannabis in psychosis was not sufficient on its own to guide legislation. 'The result suggests heavy use can result in adverse side-effects,' he said. 'That can occur with ( heavy use of ) any substance. It can occur with milk.' Fergusson's research, released this month, concluded that heavy cannabis smokers were 1.5 times more likely to suffer symptoms of psychosis that non-users. The study was the latest in several reports based on a cohort of about 1000 people born in Christchurch over a four-month period in 1977. An effective way to deal with cannabis use would be to incrementally reduce penalties and carefully evaluate its impact, Fergusson said. 'Reduce the penalty, like a parking fine. You could then monitor ( the impact ) after five or six years. If it did not change, you might want to take another step.'

Source: Bleakley, Louise, "NZ Study Used in UK Drug Review," The Press (Christchurch, New Zealand: March 22, 2005), from the web at http://www.mapinc.org/newscsdp/v05/n490/a08.html (http://www.mapinc.org/newscsdp/v05/n490/a08.html), last accessed March 28, 2005.. . .

(marijuana and safety) "There are health risks of cannabis use, most particularly when it is used daily over a period of years or decades. Considerable uncertainty remains about whether these effects are attributable to cannabis use alone, and about what the quantitative relationship is between frequency, quantity and duration of cannabis use and the risk of experiencing these effects.

On existing patterns of use, cannabis poses a much less serious public health problem than is currently posed by alcohol and tobacco in Western societies."

Source: Hall, W., Room, R. & Bondy, S., "WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use: A Comparative Appraisal of the Health and Psychological Consequences of Alcohol, Cannabis, Nicotine and Opiate Use," (Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, March 1998).
http://www.druglibrary.net/schaffer/hemp/general/who-conclusions.htm (http://www.druglibrary.net/schaffer/hemp/general/who-conclusions.htm)


(marijuana and smoking) The authors of a 1998 World Health Organization report comparing marijuana, alcohol, nicotine and opiates quote the Institute of Medicine's 1982 report stating that there is no evidence that smoking marijuana "exerts a permanently deleterious effect on the normal cardiovascular system."

Source: Hall, W., Room, R. & Bondy, S., WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use: A Comparative Appraisal of the Health and Psychological Consequences of Alcohol, Cannabis, Nicotine and Opiate Use, August 28, 1995 (Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, March 1998).
http://www.druglibrary.net/schaffer/hemp/general/who-probable.htm (http://www.druglibrary.net/schaffer/hemp/general/who-probable.htm)

(marijuana and safety) "Tetrahydrocannabinol is a very safe drug. Laboratory animals (rats, mice, dogs, monkeys) can tolerate doses of up to 1,000 mg/kg (milligrams per kilogram). This would be equivalent to a 70 kg person swallowing 70 grams of the drug -- about 5,000 times more than is required to produce a high. Despite the widespread illicit use of cannabis there are very few if any instances of people dying from an overdose. In Britain, official government statistics listed five deaths from cannabis in the period 1993-1995 but on closer examination these proved to have been deaths due to inhalation of vomit that could not be directly attributed to cannabis (House of Lords Report, 1998). By comparison with other commonly used recreational drugs these statistics are impressive."

Source: Iversen, Leslie L., PhD, FRS, "The Science of Marijuana" (London, England: Oxford University Press, 2000), p. 178, citing House of Lords, Select Committee on Science and Technology, "Cannabis -- The Scientific and Medical Evidence" (London, England: The Stationery Office, Parliament, 1998).

(marijuana and driving) "We found only limited evidence to support the claim that cannabis use increases accident risk. Participants who had driven under the influence of cannabis in the previous year appeared to be no more likely than drug-free drivers to report that they had had an accident in the previous 12 months. Prima facie, this would seem to suggest that cannabis-intoxicated driving is not a risk factor for non-fatal accidents. In this sense, the results would support those of Longo et al. (2000b) who found no relationship between recent cannabis use and driver culpability for non-fatal accidents."

Source: Jones, Craig; Donnelly, Neil; Swift, Wendy; Weatherburn, Don, "Driving under the influence of cannabis: The problem and potential countermeasures," Crime and Justice Bulletin, NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research (Syndey, Australia: September 2005). p. 11.
http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/bocsar/ll_bocsar.nsf/vwFiles/CJB87.pdf/$file/CJB87.pdf (http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/bocsar/ll_bocsar.nsf/vwFiles/CJB87.pdf/$file/CJB87.pdf)

(marijuana and driving) According to a literature review on the effects of cannabis on driving, "Most of the research on cannabis use has been conducted under laboratory conditions. The literature reviews by Robbe (1994), Hall, Solowij, and Lemon (1994), Border and Norton (1996), and Solowij (1998) agreed that the most extensive effect of cannabis is to impair memory and attention. Additional deficits include problems with temporal processing, (complex) reaction times, and dynamic tracking. These conclusions are generally consistent with the psychopharmacological effects of cannabis mentioned above, including problems with attention, memory, motor coordination, and alertness.

"A meta-analysis by Krüger and Berghaus (1995) profiled the effects of cannabis and alcohol. They reviewed 197 published studies of alcohol and 60 studies of cannabis. Their analysis showed that 50% of the reported effects were significant at a BAC of 0.073 g/dl and a THC level of 11 ng/ml. This implies that if the legal BAC threshold for alcohol is 0.08 g/dl, the corresponding level of THC that would impair the same percentage of tests would be approximately 11 ng/ml."

Source: Laberge, Jason C., Nicholas J. Ward, "Research Note: Cannabis and Driving -- Research Needs and Issues for Transportation Policy," Journal of Drug Issues, Dec. 2004, pp. 975-6.

(marijuana and driving) "Several studies have examined cannabis use in driving simulator and on-road situations. The most comprehensive review was done by Smiley in 1986 and then again in 1999. Several trends are evident and can be described by three general performance characteristics:

"1. Cannabis increased variability of speed and headway as well as lane position (Attwood, Williams, McBurney, & Frecker, 1981; Ramaekers, Robbe, & O'Hanlon, 2000; Robbe, 1998; Sexton et al., 2000; Smiley, Moskowitz, & Zeidman, 1981; Smiley, Noy, & Tostowaryk, 1987). This was more pronounced under high workload and unexpected conditions, such as curves and wind gusts.

"2. Cannabis increased the time needed to overtake another vehicle (Dott, 1972 [as cited in Smiley, 1986]) and delayed responses to both secondary and tracking tasks (Casswell, 1977; Moskowitz, Hulbert, & McGlothlin,
1976; Sexton et al., 2000; Smiley et al., 1981).

"3. Cannabis resulted in fewer attempts to overtake another vehicle(Dott, 1972) and larger distances required to pass (Ellingstad et al., 1973 [as cited in Smiley, 1986]). Evidence of increased caution also included slower speeds (Casswell, 1977; Hansteen, Miller, Lonero, Reid, & Jones, 1976; Krueger & Vollrath, 2000; Peck, Biasotti, Boland, Mallory, & Reeve, 1986; Sexton et al., 2000; Smiley et al., 1981; Stein, Allen, Cook, & Karl, 1983) and larger headways (Robbe, 1998; Smiley et al., 1987)."

Source: Laberge, Jason C., Nicholas J. Ward, "Research Note: Cannabis and Driving -- Research Needs and Issues for Transportation Policy," Journal of Drug Issues, Dec. 2004, pp. 977-8.

(marijuana and driving) A literature review of the effects of cannabis on driving found, "Another paradigm used to assess crash risk is to use cross-sectional surveys of reported nonfatal accidents that can be related to the presence of risk factors, such as alcohol and cannabis consumption. Such a methodology was employed in a provocative dissertation by Laixuthai (1994). This study used data from two large surveys that were nationally representative of high school students in the United States during 1982 and 1989. Results showed that cannabis use was negatively correlated with nonfatal accidents, but these results can be attributed to changes in the amount of alcohol consumed. More specifically, the decriminalization of cannabis and the subsequent reduction in penalty cost, as well as a reduced purchase price of cannabis, made cannabis more appealing and affordable for young consumers. This resulted in more cannabis use, which substituted for alcohol consumption, leading to less frequent and less heavy drinking. The reduction in the amount of alcohol consumed resulted in fewer nonfatal accidents."

Source: Laberge, Jason C., Nicholas J. Ward, "Research Note: Cannabis and Driving -- Research Needs and Issues for Transportation Policy," Journal of Drug Issues, Dec. 2004, pp. 980-1.

(marijuana and driving) "Both Australian studies suggest cannabis may actually reduce the responsibility rate and lower crash risk. Put another way, cannabis consumption either increases driving ability or, more likely, drivers who use cannabis make adjustments in driving style to compensate for any loss of skill (Drummer, 1995). This is consistent with simulator and road studies that show drivers who consumed cannabis slowed down and drove more cautiously (see Ward & Dye, 1999; Smiley, 1999. This compensation could help reduce the probability of being at fault in a motor vehicle accident since drivers have more time to respond and avoid a collision. However, it must be noted that any behavioral compensation may not be sufficient to cope with the reduced safety margin resulting from the impairment of driver functioning and capacity."

Source: Laberge, Jason C., Nicholas J. Ward, "Research Note: Cannabis and Driving -- Research Needs and Issues for Transportation Policy," Journal of Drug Issues, Dec. 2004, pp. 980.

(marijuana and violence) When examining the relationship between marijuana use and violent crime, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded, "Rather than inducing violent or aggressive behavior through its purported effects of lowering inhibitions, weakening impulse control and heightening aggressive tendencies, marihuana was usually found to inhibit the expression of aggressive impulses by pacifying the user, interfering with muscular coordination, reducing psychomotor activities and generally producing states of drowsiness lethargy, timidity and passivity."

Source: Shafer, Raymond P., et al, Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding, Ch. III, (Washington DC: National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, 1972).
http://druglibrary.net/schaffer/Library/studies/nc/ncc3.htm (http://druglibrary.net/schaffer/Library/studies/nc/ncc3.htm)

(marijuana and amelioration of cancer) "We found that moderate marijuana use was significantly associated with reduced risk of HNSCC [head and neck squamous cell carcinoma]. This association was consistent across different measures of marijuana use (marijuana use status, duration, and frequency of use). Diminished risk of HNSCC did not differ across tumor sites, or by HPV [human papillomavirus] 16 antibody status. Further, we observed that marijuana use modified the interaction between alcohol and cigarette smoking, resulting in a decreased HNSCC risk among moderate smokers and light drinkers, and attenuated risk among the heaviest smokers and drinkers."

Source: Liang, Caihua; McClean, Michael D.; Marsit, Carmen; Christensen, Brock; Peters, Edward; Nelson, Heather H.; Kelsey, Karl T, "A Population-Based Case-Control Study of Marijuana Use and Head and Neck Squamous Cell Carcinoma," Cancer Research Prevention (New Milford, CT: American Association for Cancer Research, August 2009), p. 766.
http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/content/early/2009/07/2... (http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/content/early/2009/07/2...)

(marijuana and adolescents) In an ethnographic study of adolescents who were regular marijuana users, researchers at the University of British Columbia, concluded, "Thematic analysis revealed that these teens differentiated themselves from recreational users and positioned their use of marijuana for relief by emphasizing their inability to find other ways to deal with their health problems, the sophisticated ways in which they titrated their intake, and the benefits that they experienced. These teens used marijuana to gain relief from difficult feelings (including depression, anxiety and stress), sleep difficulties, problems with concentration and physical pain. Most were not overly concerned about the risks associated with using marijuana, maintaining that their use of marijuana was not 'in excess' and that their use fit into the realm of 'normal.'

Conclusion: Marijuana is perceived by some teens to be the only available alternative for teens experiencing difficult health problems when medical treatments have failed or when they lack access to appropriate health care."

Source: Bottorff, Joan L , Johnson, Joy L, Moffat, Barbara M, and Mulvogue, Tamsin, "Relief-oriented use of marijuana by teens," Journal of Substance Abuse Treatment, Prevention, and Policy (Vancouver, BC: April 2009), pp. 4-7.
http://www.substanceabusepolicy.com/content/pdf/1747-597X-4-7.pdf (http://www.substanceabusepolicy.com/content/pdf/1747-597X-4-7.pdf)

(marijuana, decriminalization, and use) "Proponents of criminalization attribute to their preferred drug-control regime a special power to affect user behavior. Our findings cast doubt on such attributions. Despite widespread lawful availability of cannabis in Amsterdam, there were no differences between the 2 cities [Amsterdam and San Francisco] in age at onset of use, age at first regular use, or age at the start of maximum use."

"Our findings do not support claims that criminalization reduces cannabis use and that decriminalization increases cannabis use."

Source: Reinarman, Craig; Cohen, Peter D.A.; Kaal, Hendrien L., "The Limited Relevance of Drug Policy: Cannabis in Amsterdam and in San Francisco," American Journal of Public Health (Washington, DC: American Public Health Association, May 2004) Vol 94, No. 5, pp. 840 and 841.
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/reprint/94/5/836 (http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/reprint/94/5/836)

(cannabis - historic research) "The identification of cannabis as a potentially dangerous psychoactive substance did not, however, prevent a substantial number of these enquiries to explore the issue of whether current legislation reflected the real dangers posed by cannabis. Already in 1944, the La Guardia Committee Report on Marihuana concluded that 'the practice of smoking marihuana does not lead to addiction in the medical sense of the word' and that 'the use of marihuana does not lead to morphine or heroin or cocaine addiction' (Zimmer and Morgan, 1997). In 1968 the Wootton Report stated that 'the dangers of cannabis use as commonly accepted in the past and the risk of progression to opiates have been overstated' and 'cannabis is less harmful than other substances (amphetamines, barbiturates, codeine-like compounds)'. A similar conclusion was arrived at 34 years later in 2002 when the Advisory Committee on Drug Dependence proposed the reclassification of cannabis from Class B to Class C (enforced by law in 2004 and confirmed in 2005). These views were reiterated by other enquiries, such as the Baan Committee in the Netherlands, which affirmed in 1971 that 'cannabis use does not lead directly to other drug use' (16) or by the US National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, which in 1973 stated that 'the existing social and legal policy is out of proportion to the individual and social harm engendered by the use of the drug [cannabis]' (17). The Canadian Le Dain Commission saw 'the UN Single Convention of 1961 as responsible' for such a situation which 'might have reinforced the erroneous impression that cannabis is to be assimilated to the opiate narcotics'. The same commission, however, suggested that the UN Convention did 'not prevent domestic legislation from correcting this impression' (18)."

Source: EMCDDA (2008), "A cannabis reader: global issues and local experiences," Monograph series 8, Volume 1, European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction, Lisbon, p. 108.
http://eldd.emcdda.europa.eu/attachements.cfm/att_60586_EN_Monograph-ch7... (http://eldd.emcdda.europa.eu/attachements.cfm/att_60586_EN_Monograph-ch7...)

(marijuana and cancer risk) "Nonetheless, and contrary to our expectations, we found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung or UAT cancers ... Despite several lines of evidence suggesting the biological plausibility of marijuana use being carcinogenic (1), it is possible that marijuana use does not increase cancer risk, as suggested in the recent commentary by Melamede."

Source: Mia Hashibe, Hal Morgenstern, Yan Cui, Donald P. Tashkin, Zuo-Feng Zhang, Wendy Cozen, Thomas M. Mack, and Sander Greenland, "Marijuana Use and the Risk of Lung and Upper Aerodigestive Tract Cancers: Results of a Population-Based Case-Control Study," Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention (October 2006), p. 1833.
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/15/10/1829.full.pdf

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Withdrawal: Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.

Reinforcement: A measure of the substance's ability, in human and animal tests, to get users
to take it again and again, and in preference to other substances.

Tolerance: How much of the substance is needed to satisfy increasing cravings for it, and the level of stable need that is eventually reached.

Dependence: How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own need for the substance
and the degree to which the substance will be used in the face of evidence that it causes harm.

Intoxication: Though not usually counted as a measure of addiction in itself, the level of intoxication is associated with addiction and increases the personal and social damage a substance may do.

Source: Jack E. Henningfield, PhD for NIDA, Reported by Philip J. Hilts, New York Times, Aug. 2, 1994 "Is Nicotine Addictive? It Depends on Whose Criteria You Use."
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/08/02/science/is-nicotine-addictive-it-depen... (http://www.nytimes.com/1994/08/02/science/is-nicotine-addictive-it-depen...)
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/addiction/addiction_media1.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/addiction/addiction_media1.shtml)

Viewing the chart above one can easily see that Nicotine and Alcohol are substantially more addictive than marijuana. In fact mary jane is no more addictive than caffeine! Maybe we are waging war on the wrong drugs! ::D:

as i watch these reports on Drugs, Inc on natgeo, i wonder why mr willy doesn't rant on the evils of meth, heroine or cocaine?

[quoteas i watch these reports on Drugs, Inc on natgeo, i wonder why mr willy doesn't rant on the evils of meth, heroine or cocaine?
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Will here you are with the reports.

QuoteCocaine Facts
It was hard to find cocaine users among people with middle income in 1960s for at those times this drug was really expensive. Cocaine was a common association with music, sports and show business stars. Nowadays the majority of world's people have the possibility to take cocaine. Young adults are those who take this drug most frequently, besides, men take it twice as much as women do. Neither socioeconomic condition, nor education, nor profession influence the category of drug users.
Cocaine usage and carrying is an important problem which our country faces. In 1997 the statistics showed that 1,5 million American citizens after the age of 12 were instant cocaine addicts. Although some progress has been done in this sphere due to this number lessening from 5,7 million in 1985, the problem still has the place and we need to make the number of cocaine addicts smaller. Science is a great support. It's a well known fact how this drug influences the brain, what impact is pleasurable for the nervous system and why it's so easy to get used to it.
The two basic types of cocaine are: the hydrochloride salt and "freebase".
Cocaine is illicit, a Schedule 2 Controlled Substance, in most episodes, due the federal Controlled Substances Act.
Cocaine is called "dope friend" for the negative impact it has over individual's organism and health.
Over 200-300 cocaine addicts die of overdose every year in Texas.
The amount of America's inhabitants, which take cocaine constantly was over half million in 1983, as 1993 Household Drug survey says; in 1995 this number was 582,000 (what is 0,3% of the population). Constant usage means on 51 or more days during last year.
Cocaine is the reason of body temperature, pulse and blood pressure raising. Even after the first usage you can receive heart palpitations and cardiac trouble.
Cocaine addicts lose the interest to their family, sex, profession and every thing they do except taking another dose of the drug.


Crack Cocaine Facts
The statistics shows that of the 4,2 million America's inhabitants who have taken crack at least once, 600,000 have gotten used to it.
Some professionals say this drug is one of those to which it's really easy to get used, and some addicts say they liked it from the first time they took it.
When you smoke crack, the substance reaches your brain in eight to fifteen minutes and produce a certain impact.
Crack addicts often face problems with respiration, containing lung damage, chest congestion, wheezing, spitting up black phlegm, great hoarseness, and burning of the lips, throat and tongue.
Other impacts of crack are high body temperature, bad appetite and, perhaps, liver damage. Crack lessens the contents of dopamine, a substance which helps to regulate mood, attention and coordination.
Addicts feel constant desire to take the drug. Most crack users will take the drug until they have no money or their margin of drug is over.
Instant usage can cause the damage of nervous system; its signs will correspond with paranoid schizophrenia symptoms.
In early 80s the reason for most people to make cocaine popular was to reach absolute relaxation.
Crack is packaged into small plastic containers in the form of gray, beige of white chunks. They can be tried with marijuana or tobacco cigarette or smoked with a pipe, which is often made of glass.


Ecstasy / XTC / MDMA Facts
The impacts of constant MDMA taking is now subjected to careful scientific analysis. In 1998, the National Institute of Mental Health made some statistics for a certain group of chronic MDMA addicts, who were giving up the usage. The statistics showed that common users damaged neurons in brain, which transfer serotonin, a substance taking part in some vitally important processes as learning, sleep and maintaining of emotions. The conclusion made showed that constant MDMA users can develop chronic brain damage which results in depression, anxiety, memory loss and other neurotic diseases.
MDMA influences the coming out of serotonin from brain neurons, making additional energy, which has the power for several minutes to one hour. The impact drug produces on those who take it differs with the constitution of a person, dose's size, drug's purity and the environment where the individual takes it.
Some of MDMA's effects are a pleasurable sense, self-confidence and happiness, as well as sometimes high level of energy. As for the impact on nervous system, it produces the feelings of calmness, empathy, and acceptance.
Ecstasy addicts say the feel the sensation of mutual understanding and a wish to touch those to whom they feel it. Some drug users say that ecstasy is useful to normalize neurotic activity, as it causes the feelings of mutual understanding and it's period of action is short. But MDMA is called by Federal regulators as a drug which isn't used in the medicine.
There're secret labs providing illegal activity in Western Europe, especially in the Netherlands and Belgium, they produce a large amount of drugs in tablets, pills or powder. Besides the fact most of MDMA laboratories act in Europe, there are some examples of MDMA labs producing the drug in America.
Institutions, which export MDMA abroad, transfer it in doses of 10,000 or more pills with the use of express mail services, couriers with commercial airline transfers, of, more often, with several transmissions on board the planes from large cities in Europe to cities in America. Ecstasy is purchased in small doses at the mid-wholesale level in America for over eight dollars for a one-use package.
MDMA which is sold in clubs of American cities costs approximately from twenty to thirty dollars for a one-use package. MDMA dealers always use some marks to determine their products and to make it different from other competitors' packages. These marks are made due to special holidays or important events. Lightning bolts, butterflies and four-leaf clovers are among the most popular brand signs.
Ecstasy's impacts on nervous system are depressive mood, problems with sleep, anxiety, confusion, paranoia while using drugs and some weeks after its usage.
Some experts at The Johns Hopkins University showed that 4 days of drug taking can be a reason of some organism disorder 6 or 7 years later.
Night meetings, called "raves", are often a place where ecstasy is taken.
Many of those impacts mentioned after the use of amphetamine and cocaine are similar to the effects MDMA addicts have.
Disorders of the nervous system due to ecstasy usage are depressive mood, problems with sleep, anxiety, confusion, paranoia while using drugs and some weeks after its usage.
The effects ecstasy produce on the organism are muscle tension, teeth damage, bad vision, quickly moving eyes, sweating or freezing, and nausea.
Ecstasy includes components which vary from place to place, they often differ from MDMA content, for example caffeine or dextromethorphan. MDMA is a drug which is forbidden to produce, carry or market in America by the US Schedule I of controlled substances.
German drug producing company named Merck was the first in the United States to produce and patent MDMA.
Of the two groups of people who passed memory tests ? drug users and healthy people ? the first one had the worse results.


Heroin Facts
Heroin addict can take four doses of drug a day as well.
When an individual smokes or respires heroine, the effect of its taking comes not so quickly as after injecting it, NIDA statistics shows that all the ways to take the drug are easy to get used to.
More than 80% of drug addicts inject in somebody's presence, over 80% of people who did it alone are found dead of overdose.
Of the illegal drugs heroine is the mostly spread throughout the United States.
The National Household Survey in 1994 showed that 2.2 million of America's citizens have already taken heroin, 191,000 have taken it in last 30 days.
The feeling of pain caused by heroin can actually result in signs of physical diseases such as pneumonia and give a wait to treatment.
Current informal data tell us that people prefer to smoke or to snort heroine because they are sure this form of usage won't cause addiction to the drug.
The origin of heroine is morphine, a substance which is taken from the seed-pod of poppies in Asia.
Heroin is always alike brown or white powder.
As DAWN's Year End 1998 Emergency Department Data inform, 14 percent of all deals related to drugs, happening with emergency rooms were connected to heroine/morphine in 1998.
Heroin addiction is usually connected with serious health disorders, containing fatal overdose, damaged veins, infectious illnesses, as HIV/AIDS and hepatitis, spontaneous abortion.
When the impact of the drug is overcome, the individual may feel sleepy for some days. After this condition they again become normal.
In fact, if the individual starts taking heroin constantly after some time, it commonly results in addiction to drugs. The organism's natural reaction to the influence of drugs is lessening the amount of opioid receptors in the brain. So as a conclusion a drug addict must take a larger and larger dose time by time to receive the same impact.
When the dose of heroin comes out of the organism, the little number of opioid receptors and a little amount of heroin causes certain biochemical and physical changes, which are the sign of heroin symptoms, containing: anxiety, anger, pains in stomach, sweating, nausea, sniffing, total weakness, insomnia, feeling of heat and pain in muscles.
These awful feelings hard to overcome begin in 12 hours after not using heroin, there extreme point is two-three days and in a week they begin lessening. People rarely die from this impact.
Individuals, taking heroin, often overcome some special physical conditions. Some of them are the result of taking drugs, other are the result of a way they are taken, and others are the reason of lifestyle, which coincides with common and constant usage of heroin.


Marijuana Facts
Most marijuana addicts take the drug with the help of a cigarette which is called a "joint".
Impact of marijuana on the organism is extremely high within 10-30 minutes after it was taken and this effect may last for two or three hours.
According to statistics, marijuana is the most commonly taken illicit drug in the nation.
Marijuana is the reason of weakness of organism's immunity.
Actually, metabolites of marijuana can be found in organism by drug testing technologies in some days after it was taken. But in fact, for constant users these traces can be sometimes found in some weeks after the last usage of marijuana.
In 1995, 165,000 individuals who came into special clinics for treatment told that marijuana is the primary drug they had gotten used to and need help to give up its taking.
Taking this drug is the reason of some changes in the brain which can be commonly named with cocaine, alcohol and heroin.
Individuals taking marijuana have some kinds of troubles with respiration as people who smoke cigarettes have: croaking and coughing. These people have a larger opportunity to catch chest colds than those who don't take it. They also have more possibility to catch lung infections as pneumonia.
Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, one of over 400 components in this drug plant, is responsible for the majority of marijuana's impacts on physical and psychical state. The concentration of drug is detected by the extract of THC it includes.
THC badly influences the neurons in the information-maintaining center of hippocampus, the part of brain which is responsible for studies, memory, and coinciding sensitive experience with feelings and coordination.
Marijuana using is the reason of poor blood flow to the brain.
Marijuana is often called "psychoactive" or "psychotropic" opiate and is really easy to get used to for some persons.
Marijuana has a special smell which is hard to clean off and you can feel it even after thorough, many-times' cleansing.
Second hand marijuana fume can also cause an impact.
Marijuana is a section of illicit opiates' market and most commonly taken drug in North America, that's why it concentrates the majority of petty crime and crimes, which correspond with drugs.
Scientific researches have identified that children, whom drug-users gave birth to, had smaller height, smaller weight and smaller sizes of heads, in comparison with those born from healthy mothers.
Statistics say that marijuana lessens the level of testosterone in men's organisms.
Taking marijuana may also result in low sperm concentration, which can be the reason of difficulty in giving birth to children.
Women who take THC cause the growing of testosterone levels in their systems which can be the reason of additional facial hair and acne, and the reason of damaging the reproductive women's function.
Marijuana is an illicit opiate which is most commonly taken in America. Over 69 million American citizens from the age of 12 have already used marijuana in their lifetime.
Studies show that marijuana cigarettes rushes five times as much carbon monoxide into blood and three times as much smoke into lungs as tobacco cigarettes produce.


Meth/Methamphetamie/Crystal Meth Facts
Methamphetamine is an opiate which is called among the users as Meth, Crystal, Ice, Crystal Meth, Crank, Glass, Chalk and Speed.
Methamphetamine is produced in different forms. It can be respired, smoke, orally taken or injected.
Meth has no smell, it's taking is difficult to feel.
In 1980s "ice", a form of methamphetamine used to smoke, became popular.
It's risky for methamphetamine addicts to be strongly poisoned by lead.
Even if you take small amount of meth, it can produce negative impact on your organism, as convulsions and hyperthermia; these symptoms may sometimes lead to death of the addict.
Crystal is a drug which badly affects nervous system and is easy to get used to.
Meth effects on the central nervous system are the reason of chemical reactions on brain, which make the organism feel its reserves of energy are unlimited and the person looses the necessary for other parts of body amounts of energy.
Meth's impacts to the organism are the same as with cocaine, but they are stronger and need larger doses.
Meth is like a crystal powder, it is dissolved in water or alcohol and has a bitter taste.
Studies say that bad impact on neurons including Dopamine and Serotonin is that nerve endings influenced are hard to recover, and this later may result in addict's illness of Parkinsons and Alzheiners in some years.
Meth addicts can be sober and awake for a long time and then they feel depressed and tired, even worse in comparison with the time before they used the drug.
Meth's impact on organism, shown in insomnia is usually the result of its continuous usage, which can lead addict to experience strange behavior, hallucinations, bizarre and extreme paranoia.
Women take meth twice as much as they take cocaine.
Methamphetamine can be a reason of death from heart damage, brain disorder and stroke.

http://detoxland.com/drug-facts.html

Marijuana is the most consistent gateway drug. More hard-drug users can link their first drug days to this substance. Young users are two to five times more likely to eventually move on to harder drugs. One study by The Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University showed that adolescents who used marijuana were 85 times more likely to use cocaine than adolescents who abstained. The same study's results showed that 60% percent of children who smoked it before they turned 15 years old would later go on to use cocaine.

Quote from: mr.willy on October 18, 2010, 09:12:16 PM
Marijuana is the most consistent gateway drug. More hard-drug users can link their first drug days to this substance. Young users are two to five times more likely to eventually move on to harder drugs. One study by The Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University showed that adolescents who used marijuana were 85 times more likely to use cocaine than adolescents who abstained. The same study's results showed that 60% percent of children who smoked it before they turned 15 years old would later go on to use cocaine.

This is a bunch of conjecture and nothing more, In fact, the true gateway drugs are alcohol and nicotine! Even caffeine is more addictive than marijuana!

QuoteColumbia University showed that adolescents who used marijuana were 85 times more likely to use cocaine than adolescents who abstained. The same study's results showed that 60% percent of children who smoked it before they turned 15 years old would later go on to use cocaine.

QuoteThis is a bunch of conjecture and nothing more,

So Palehorse knows more then Columbia University. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Quote from: mr.willy on October 18, 2010, 09:12:16 PM
Marijuana is the most consistent gateway drug. More hard-drug users can link their first drug days to this substance. Young users are two to five times more likely to eventually move on to harder drugs. One study by The Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University showed that adolescents who used marijuana were 85 times more likely to use cocaine than adolescents who abstained. The same study's results showed that 60% percent of children who smoked it before they turned 15 years old would later go on to use cocaine.

(cannabis - historic research) "The identification of cannabis as a potentially dangerous psychoactive substance did not, however, prevent a substantial number of these enquiries to explore the issue of whether current legislation reflected the real dangers posed by cannabis. Already in 1944, the La Guardia Committee Report on Marihuana concluded that 'the practice of smoking marihuana does not lead to addiction in the medical sense of the word' and that 'the use of marihuana does not lead to morphine or heroin or cocaine addiction' (Zimmer and Morgan, 1997). In 1968 the Wootton Report stated that 'the dangers of cannabis use as commonly accepted in the past and the risk of progression to opiates have been overstated' and 'cannabis is less harmful than other substances (amphetamines, barbiturates, codeine-like compounds)'. A similar conclusion was arrived at 34 years later in 2002 when the Advisory Committee on Drug Dependence proposed the reclassification of cannabis from Class B to Class C (enforced by law in 2004 and confirmed in 2005). These views were reiterated by other enquiries, such as the Baan Committee in the Netherlands, which affirmed in 1971 that 'cannabis use does not lead directly to other drug use' (16) or by the US National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, which in 1973 stated that 'the existing social and legal policy is out of proportion to the individual and social harm engendered by the use of the drug [cannabis]' (17). The Canadian Le Dain Commission saw 'the UN Single Convention of 1961 as responsible' for such a situation which 'might have reinforced the erroneous impression that cannabis is to be assimilated to the opiate narcotics'. The same commission, however, suggested that the UN Convention did 'not prevent domestic legislation from correcting this impression' (18)."

Source: EMCDDA (2008), "A cannabis reader: global issues and local experiences," Monograph series 8, Volume 1, European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction, Lisbon, p. 108.
http://eldd.emcdda.europa.eu/attachements.cfm/att_60586_EN_Monograph-ch7... (http://eldd.emcdda.europa.eu/attachements.cfm/att_60586_EN_Monograph-ch7...)

Quote from: mr.willy on October 19, 2010, 08:54:27 AM

So Palehorse knows more then Columbia University. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Baiting is destructive. You asked I answered. Your lies have been exposed.

QuoteInternational law

The United Nations Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs (1961) elevated the control on

narcotic substances and on cannabis to a global level. Under the system introduced in

1961 (mainly imported from previous treaties), cannabis is to be considered as one of

the most dangerous existing drugs (3).

This section discusses the texts of the UN Convention. While this approach may appear

legalistic to the non-specialist reader, a thorough understanding of the legal status of

cannabis under international law is vital for understanding the 'room for manoeuvre'(4)

given to different countries on the issue.

Cannabis, cannabis resin and extracts and tincture of cannabis are listed in Schedule

I of the 1961 Convention among substances whose properties might give rise to

dependence and which present a serious risk of abuse, which are subject to all control

measures envisaged by the Convention (5). Cannabis and cannabis resin are again

listed in Schedule IV of the 1961 Convention, which comprises 15 substances already

listed in Schedule I that are considered particularly dangerous by virtue of their harmful

characteristics, risks of abuse and extremely limited therapeutic value. Among these

15 substances, we find heroin and cannabis but not cocaine, which is (only) listed in

Schedule I.

(2) Giffen et al. (1991) affirm that 'unlike other narcotic drugs brought under federal control up to the

1920s, marijuana was added to the Schedule I in 1925, before it came to be defined as a social

problem in Canada. Why this was so remains a mystery'.

(3) Article 2.5(a) of the 1961 Convention introduces the concept of dangerousness for substances

included in schedule IV.

(4) 'Room for manoeuvre' was the title of a report commissioned by the British charity Drugscope,

with a focus on the UN conventions and potential changes to UK drugs possession laws (Dorn and

Jamieson, 2000).

(5) There are four schedules under the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs: Schedule I — those

substances which are, inter alia, having, or convertible into substances having a liability to abuse

comparable to that of cannabis, cannabis resin or cocaine; Schedule II — having addiction-producing

or addiction-sustaining properties not greater than those of codeine but at least as great as those of

dextropropoxyphene; Schedule III — preparations which are intended for legitimate medical use, and

which the WHO considers not liable to abuse and cannot produce ill effects, and the drug therein is

not readily recoverable; and Schedule IV — substances that are particularly liable to abuse and to

produce ill effects, and such liability is not offset by substantial therapeutic advantages not possessed

by substances other than drugs in Schedule IV

http://eldd.emcdda.europa.eu/attachements.cfm/att_60586_EN_Monograph-ch7.

Your cherry pick en  Palehorse like usual...........

Like you are not mr willy!  ::)

QuoteLike you are not mr willy!

So you are admitting to it Palehorse  ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Quote from: mr.willy on October 19, 2010, 02:14:34 PM
So you are admitting to it Palehorse  ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

I admit nothing mr willy. It is up to you to prove your points or move on. I proved your supposed facts are nothing more than conjecture. Prove otherwise or move on. . .

http://www.youtube.com/v/gWhUqo9Aivs

WARNING: Explicit language! If you are easily offended do not play this video!

QuoteI admit nothing mr willy. It is up to you to prove your points or move on

I have prove my points with my posting and you Palehorse continue to cherry pick and It's up to you to prove your points that mj is not a drug thats effect the YOUTH OF THIS COUNTRY, and in your own words 

QuoteI admit nothing mr willy

because you have no common sense at all, and afraid to admit that mj is a problem. The Use of marijuana does have adverse health, safety, social, academic, economic, and behavioral consequences; and children are the most vulnerable to its damaging effects.

Marijuana is defiantly the most widely used illicit drug in America and is readily available to kids, and Compounding the problem is that the marijuana of today is not the marijuana of the baby boomers 30 years ago.The average THC levels rose from less than 1 percent in the mid-1970s to more than 8 percent in 2004. And the potency of B.C. Bud, a popular type of marijuana cultivated in British Columbia, Canada, is roughly twice the national average-ranging from 15 percent THC content to 20 percent or even higher.

Now this is fact and not conjecture,and YOU cannot Prove otherwise, so it time that YOU realize the TRUTH AND GET your LIFE TOGETHER and  move on. . . :)

Quote from: mr.willy on October 19, 2010, 06:10:37 PM
I have prove my points with my posting and you Palehorse continue to cherry pick and It's up to you to prove your points that mj is not a drug thats effect the YOUTH OF THIS COUNTRY, and in your own words   because you have no common sense at all, and afraid to admit that mj is a problem. The Use of marijuana does have adverse health, safety, social, academic, economic, and behavioral consequences; and children are the most vulnerable to its damaging effects.

Marijuana is defiantly the most widely used illicit drug in America and is readily available to kids, and Compounding the problem is that the marijuana of today is not the marijuana of the baby boomers 30 years ago.The average THC levels rose from less than 1 percent in the mid-1970s to more than 8 percent in 2004. And the potency of B.C. Bud, a popular type of marijuana cultivated in British Columbia, Canada, is roughly twice the national average-ranging from 15 percent THC content to 20 percent or even higher.

Now this is fact and not conjecture,and YOU cannot Prove otherwise, so it time that YOU realize the TRUTH AND GET your LIFE TOGETHER and  move on. . . :)

Amusing how you sit in judgement of me just as you do marijuana! You don't even know me, you don't know who or what I am, yet you feel comfortable enough in to sit in judgement of me?

Clearly you know nothing about me, nor about marijuana and its use / users. I submit that despite the accredited information I have provided to you that clearly disproves your talking points; it is not dialog that you seek here, but rather discourse!

Marijuana is only illicit because of the knee jerk reaction that listed it in the first place. There is NO validation for it being there, yet there it is. Fact is, 13 aspirin will kill you a lot quicker than mary jane ever would. Drinking 30 gallons of milk will kill you!

Oldest trick in the book, and a typical political ploy these days as well I might add. When you cannot discredit the information, attack the messenger!  ::)

Katt Williams  mugshot and is what your brain looks like on drugs for real. What a waste.
(http://oi51.tinypic.com/ngzyih.jpg)

this is one of Palehorse heroes, ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

QuoteWhen you cannot discredit the information, attack the messenger!

Practice what YOUR PREACHING  Palehorse. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

QuoteYou don't even know me,

AND you DO NOT KNOW ME Practice what YOUR PREACHING  Palehorse YOUR STARTING TO LOOK LIKE AND TALK LIKE A FOOL. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Quote from: Palehorse on October 19, 2010, 06:32:42 PM
. . .
Oldest trick in the book, and a typical political ploy these days as well I might add. When you cannot discredit the information, attack the messenger!  ::)

Quote from: mr.willy on October 19, 2010, 06:57:28 PM
Katt Williams  mugshot and is what your brain looks like on drugs for real. What a waste.
(http://oi51.tinypic.com/ngzyih.jpg)

this is one of Palehorse heroes, ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Practice what YOUR PREACHING  Palehorse. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:
AND you DO NOT KNOW ME Practice what YOUR PREACHING  Palehorse YOUR STARTING TO LOOK LIKE AND TALK LIKE A FOOL. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Stick a fork in him/her - s/he's done!

QuoteIt is up to you to prove your points

::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

QuoteStick a fork in him/her - s/he's done!

Palehorse for some reason I think you want to slit my throat like MEXICAN CARTELS ARE GUILTY OF. ::D: ::D:

Goodnight Palehorse and stay off that mj. ;D

JWH-018, CP 47,497 and the C6, C8 and C9 homologues of CP 47,497 are illegal in Germany since 22 January 2009

Palehorse I suppose you approve of the use of Spice also. ::O:

Quote from: mr.willy on October 20, 2010, 10:46:05 AM
JWH-018, CP 47,497 and the C6, C8 and C9 homologues of CP 47,497 are illegal in Germany since 22 January 2009

Palehorse I suppose you approve of the use of Spice also. ::O:

Synthesized versions of what nature creates is never a good idea. . . and rarely as effective.

Quote
"It is like Russian Roulette to use these drugs," John W. Huffman, PhD, who invented one of the synthetic cannabinoids (JWH 018), told WebMD. "We don't know a darn thing about them for real. In terms of biological activity, these things are similar to THC, the active compound in cannabis. Now the thing is, nobody knows anything about how these new compounds act in the human body."

Quote
"When you take these drugs, you are hijacking the part of the brain important for many functions: Temperature control, food intake, perception, memory and problem solving," Huestis told WebMD. "And people taking these high-potency drugs are affecting other important functions throughout their bodies - hormone functions, for example."

http://greensburgdailynews.com/local/x693282874/Unknown-Effects-Of-Legal-Synthetic-Marijuana-Sparks-Ban-Debate

Ummm. . . that is NOT marijuana. . .

Hay Palehorse many countries have banned Spice including Germany, France, Chile, Poland, Russia, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, and the U.K.

Why not the U.S.????????


http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/?watchId=4a2b0aaa-6570-4e9a-9d7d-817b43837f7f

Quote from: mr.willy on October 20, 2010, 01:48:38 PM
Hay Palehorse many countries have banned Spice including Germany, France, Chile, Poland, Russia, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, and the U.K.

Why not the U.S.????????


http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/?watchId=4a2b0aaa-6570-4e9a-9d7d-817b43837f7f

OFF topic

QuoteOFF topic

there is no quality control in something like k2 there is also no quality control in mj, is that  right Palehorse

Quote from: mr.willy on October 20, 2010, 03:34:13 PM
there is no quality control in something like k2 there is also no quality control in mj, is that  right Palehorse

OFF topic. . .

QuoteOFF topic. .

OK Palehorse  is there any quality control on mj,

Quote from: mr.willy on October 20, 2010, 03:55:52 PM
OK Palehorse  is there any quality control on mj,

I am not qualified to speak on behalf of mother nature, nor anyone currently operating what is right now considered an illegal growing operation.

Surrounding the utilization of marijuana within the diagnostics portion of the medical industry, yes there is; and it falls under FDA jurisdiction, as well as the DEA control.

QuoteSurrounding the utilization of marijuana within the diagnostics portion of the medical industry, yes there is; and it falls under FDA jurisdiction, as well as the DEA control.

Now is mj a drug or not according to the Gov.& what do you say it is ???????

Quote from: mr.willy on October 20, 2010, 05:21:14 PM
Now is mj a drug or not according to the Gov.& what do you say it is ???????

It is presently mis-classified as a dangerous drug by the government, and moreover classified as illegal by this very same government.

It is useful for many things, including but not limited to the making of rope; which as has been noted earlier by another poster, it is still utilized for in other countries, who make it and legally export it to the United States for sale and use.

It is a plant, and should be more properly classified akin to tobacco, and taxed and regulated as alcohol is. . . And one day it will be. . . Until then, the war on drugs is a losing proposition, and one that would be far better utilized in targeting "hard illegal drugs" like coke and heroin, ET AL.

Then the DEA can hand off responsibility for its regulation to the BATF and the FDA can continue to oversee its quality standards. . .

Palehorse what people aren't looking at are that companies  are going to come in and see this movement of mj as a way of making a huge profits and they are going to try to make just as much money from the users  just like the mexican cartel, and plus the State California and the Fed. government of [ if they change ]  will also want to TAX the hell out of  marijuana.  ::O: ::O:

I will bet you Palehorse  that  California prop 19 does not pass and even if voters pass Prop. 19 which would legalize use of mj in California, the Justice Department will continue to enforce federal drug laws according to what Eric Holder has said. ::O:

Quote from: mr.willy on October 20, 2010, 07:31:18 PM
Palehorse what people aren't looking at are that companies  are going to come in and see this movement of mj as a way of making a huge profits and they are going to try to make just as much money from the users  just like the mexican cartel, and plus the State California and the Fed. government of [ if they change ]  will also want to TAX the hell out of  marijuana.  ::O: ::O:

I will bet you Palehorse  that  California prop 19 does not pass and even if voters pass Prop. 19 which would legalize use of mj in California, the Justice Department will continue to enforce federal drug laws according to what Eric Holder has said. ::O:

Expanded corporate revenues and profits mean expanded taxation revenues. Taxation by the feds is exactly what people who are supporting this movement are counting upon, to stimulate the economy and help pay down the national debt that has been incurred due to the economic downturn.

It should be subject to the very same regulatory status and taxation as alcohol and tobacco; and in fact it would seem a no brainer as a new cash crop for the big tobacco companies world wide.  .  .

I think prop 19 has as good a chance at being passed as it has to not be passed; and that is a very stark difference in historical approaches to the issue; and in my opinion a positive sign.

The feds may very well step up enforcement, but doing so will be viewed as oppression by a vast majority of the citizens in this country; regardless of where they stand on the issue. And that is the crack in the foundation.

IF it passes it will expedite the matter on a national scale.  Should it pass and California see it generate 653 million in additional annual revenues, which are the most conservative figures out there surrounding its potential, you will see special interests lobbyists pushing for similar federal legislation forthwith. . .

This country is once again desperate for economic stimulus that works and makes sense. THIS makes sense in that it is an untapped source for perhaps billions in tax revenues nationwide. In addition it addresses a senseless problem that was created when they listed it  back in the day, which in turn created the hemp highway between Mexico and the US, as well as wildcat growing operations within the US Borders that eat up law enforcement man hours and funding to the tune of billions each and every year just for marijuana.

These assets can then be redirected toward the real socially damaging hard drugs that they should have been deployed toward out of the gate!

QuoteShould it pass and California see it generate 653 million in additional annual revenues,

::O: ::O:

How did you come up with that amount


Breaking News: Prop 19's Claim of $1.4 Billion in Weed Revenue Debunked!
[quoteProp] 19's Claim of $1.4 Billion in Weed Revenue Debunked

New BOE Estimates Say "It Is Not Possible to Estimate the Potential Revenue Gain"

Sacramento – The California State Board of Equalization (BOE) this week released an updated analysis of Proposition 19. Among their findings, the BOE found that because Proposition 19 "does not contain any new responsibility, rule, or law applicable on a statewide level...it is not possible to estimate the potential revenue gain."



The BOE report notes that while Proposition 19 states that the purpose of the Act "is to, in part, 'tax and regulate cannabis in order to generate billions of dollars for our state and local governments,'" the Act itself "does not establish a statewide regulatory framework, nor does it impose an additional statewide tax on cannabis."

The BOE's finding debunks the notion promulgated by proponents that Proposition 19 will somehow generate "billions" in new tax revenue for the state of California.
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http://thehive.modbee.com/node/21426


Prop 19 Warning: California can not tax pot.
Submitted by Activist1 on Thu, 2010-07-01 08:00.
Press release:WARNING:  CALIFORNIA CAN'T TAX POT.

QuoteSteve Cooley, L.A. County District Attorney, has done a thorough analysis of the measure and has come up with the following conclusions:  1) The State is prevented from charging any taxes on pot, 2) The State is not allowed to regulate or control any aspect of pot cultivation, transportation, sales or use.


So where does the government of the State of California fit into this picture?  They do have a role...to pay for increased costs of auto accidents, rehabilitation, mental health treatment, emergency room care, increased crime, and broken families that are the result of greater pot use.  While it is difficult to quantify these costs, they are likely to be at least as expensive as the social costs of alcohol and tobacco which costs taxpayers $12 for each $1 collected in taxes.  These expenses can't be passed on to the pot industry through taxes because Prop 19 prohibits it:  Guess who pays these bills?...California taxpayers! "We're being asked to subject ourselves to more government regulation, more crime, and higher taxes so that a few people can smoke recreationally.   I SAY NO TO THAT," says Scott Chipman, Southern California Chairman of CALM.

http://thehive.modbee.com/node/20232

QuoteThis country is once again desperate for economic stimulus that works and makes sense. THIS makes sense in that it is an untapped source for perhaps billions in tax revenues nationwide.

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Palehorse its starting to sound like your doing a lot of spinning and spinning again. ;D

Quote from: mr.willy on October 20, 2010, 09:24:59 PM
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How did you come up with that amount


Breaking News: Prop 19's Claim of $1.4 Billion in Weed Revenue Debunked!http://thehive.modbee.com/node/21426


Prop 19 Warning: California can not tax pot.
Submitted by Activist1 on Thu, 2010-07-01 08:00.
Press release:WARNING:  CALIFORNIA CAN'T TAX POT.http://thehive.modbee.com/node/20232

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Palehorse its starting to sound like your doing a lot of spinning and spinning again. ;D

Your quoting an activists blog as a source and I am the one spinning? Come on!

My sources are accredited and validated, while yours are clearly slanted and spinning conjecture. DO some research like I did and come up with something better than that!

QuoteMy sources are accredited and validated,

I havent see any of your  sources that are accredited and validated, You biggest problem is you cannot stand anyone that disagree with you on mj, you sound like a far left liberal that thinks they know what is correct for this country.

You still have not proved what you said

QuoteShould it pass and California see it generate 653 million in additional annual revenues,

Where is your accredited and validation of  establishing a valid proof 653 million in annual revenues. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

One more thing Palehorse as you are for prop 19 and your Proponents of legalization claim it will raise "billions" in taxes. But if everyone could legally grow their own, why would anybody pay  the tax. ::D: ::D: ::D:

Quote from: mr.willy on October 21, 2010, 09:37:21 AM
I havent see any of your  sources that are accredited and validated, You biggest problem is you cannot stand anyone that disagree with you on mj, you sound like a far left liberal that thinks they know what is correct for this country.

You still have not proved what you said 

Where is your accredited and validation of  establishing a valid proof 653 million in annual revenues. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

One more thing Palehorse as you are for prop 19 and your Proponents of legalization claim it will raise "billions" in taxes. But if everyone could legally grow their own, why would anybody pay  the tax. ::D: ::D: ::D:

So it is your "opinion" that the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration,  RAND Corporations  Drug Policy Research Center,  the World Health Organization, the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, Canadian Medical Association, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, School of Medicine, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD, USA., Et AL surrounding my sources are all unaccredited?

But a blog IS?!  Do you even understand the meaning of the term accredited? Apparently not!

From CNN Today. . .

"No one's promising that this is going to solve everything economically," said Quintin Mecke, spokesman for Assembly Member Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, who was the lead sponsor on two earlier efforts to legalize marijuana.
Most of the financial benefit would actually come from budget cuts - which means job cuts -- according to a report from the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in Washington, D.C. The institute estimates that legalization could add $1.312 billion annually to California's coffers. But the forecast's breakdown calls for a savings of $960 million in law enforcement costs and an additional $352 million in tax revenue.
Jeffrey Miron, a senior lecturer at Harvard University and senior fellow at the Cato Institute who co-authored the study, said the majority of the cost savings would be a result of cuts to law enforcement personnel whose services would no longer be required. And axing police officers, prison guards, prosecutors and judges would hurt the job market, at least initially, he said.
That leaves an estimated $352 million in annual tax revenue, a tally that Miron described as "not irrelevant, but not very consequential." He said it's a welcome bonus for Californians who prefer legalization regardless, but it's not enough to sway those who oppose it. . .



http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/21/news/economy/marijuana_california/index.htm?hpt=T1 (http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/21/news/economy/marijuana_california/index.htm?hpt=T1)

And those are conservative numbers from a conservative institution! The reality could be more or less, depending upon the potential growth of the industry!

Quote
One more thing Palehorse as you are for prop 19 and your Proponents of legalization claim it will raise "billions" in taxes. But if everyone could legally grow their own, why would anybody pay  the tax.

How many people you see growing their own tobacco???  :confused:

And here's an opinion piece from a contributor at CNN: (By Evan Wood)

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/21/wood.war.on.drugs/index.html?hpt=C2 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/21/wood.war.on.drugs/index.html?hpt=C2)

Why conservatives should favor legalizing marijuana

CNN) -- If there is one clear emotion emerging before November's U.S. congressional elections, it is that citizens across the political spectrum are worried about government spending and a perceived lack of government accountability regarding where tax dollars are spent.
Oddly, the government's approach to the illegal drug problem -- which has cost U.S. taxpayers more than $2.5 trillion since former President Richard Nixon first declared America's "war on drugs" -- has been largely immune from this concern.
One dramatic exception is California, where Proposition 19, which proposes to "regulate, control and tax cannabis," will be on the statewide ballot on November 2. In California alone, the illegal market for cannabis, or marijuana, has been estimated to be worth about $14 billion per year, and the legalization initiative aims to redirect the flow of these massive profits from violent drug cartels toward government coffers.
Although the full financial impact of legalization cannot be known, cannabis law enforcement in California is estimated to cost taxpayers anywhere between $200 million and $1.9 billion each year, whereas the State Board of Equalization has estimated that taxation could generate $1.4 billion a year in new tax revenue.
As the vote approaches, a clear division in political support for Proposition 19 has emerged, with a recent Reuters-Ipsos poll showing that 54 percent of Democrats support legalization as Republican support sits at 33 percent. This division is curious, given that cannabis prohibition takes its biggest toll on the traditional conservative wish list of fiscal discipline, low crime rates and strong families.
In fact, as detailed in a report published this month by my organization, the International Centre for Science in Drug Policy, research funded by none other than the U.S. government clearly demonstrates the failure of marijuna prohibition. For instance, government reports demonstrate that even as federal funding for anti-drug efforts has increased from $1.5 billion in 1981 to more than $20 billion today, surveillance systems show that marijuana's estimated potency has increased by 145 percent and its price has declined by 58 percent since 1990.
At a 1991 lecture titled "The Drug War as a Socialist Enterprise," conservative economist Milton Friedman noted: "There are some general features of a socialist enterprise, whether it's the post office, schools or the war on drugs. The enterprise is inefficient, expensive, very advantageous to a small group of people and harmful to a lot of people."
Friedman, who won the Nobel Prize in 1976 for his achievements in the fields of "consumption analysis," had strong views about the certain failure of the war on drugs, which are shared by most economists who stress that costly efforts to remove the drug supply by building prisons and locking up drug dealers have the perverse effect of making it much more profitable for new drug dealers to get into the market.
This explains why surveillance systems funded by the U.S. National Institutes of Health concluded that over the last 30 years, cannabis has remained "almost universally available to American 12th-graders," with between 80 percent and 90 percent saying the drug is "very easy" or "fairly easy" to obtain.
Friedman was also vocal about the unintended consequences of the war on drugs, including the enrichment of organized crime and drug market violence. As he wrote in The New York Times: "The young are not dissuaded by the bullets that fly so freely in disputes between competing drug dealers -- bullets that fly only because dealing drugs is illegal. Al Capone epitomizes our earlier attempt at Prohibition; the Crips and Bloods epitomize this one."
In this context, consider that about 28,000 people have died in drug market violence in Mexico since 2006, when Mexican President Felipe Calderón declared a war on drugs in that country, and that the U.S. government once estimated that Mexican drug trafficking organizations derive 60 percent of their revenue from cannabis exports to the United States.
The war on drugs has also had a devastating impact on families. Primarily as a result of drug law enforcement, one in nine African-American males in the 25-to-29 age group is incarcerated on any given day in the U.S., despite statistics that show ethnic minorities consume illicit drugs at rates comparable to those of other ethnic groups in the U.S.
In California, where the government spends more on prisons than post-secondary education, a recent report estimated that the cannabis possession arrest rate for African-Americans in Los Angeles County is more than 300 percent higher than that for whites. This disparity has emerged despite data from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which has consistently shown that young African-Americans are less likely to use cannabis than whites.
In addition to both the racial and budgetary implications of this failed experiment, sociologists and criminologists are decrying the intergenerational effects of these policies on low-income families, as children left behind by incarcerated parents turn to gangs and the cycle continues.
One explanation for the persistently high support for cannabis prohibition is the concern that ending the war on cannabis will result in increased use. Interestingly, comparisons between the U.S. and the Netherlands, where cannabis is de facto legalized, indicate that despite the U.S.'s record rates of anti-drug enforcement expenditures, 42 percent of U.S. adults report that they have used cannabis, which is more than twice as high as that observed in the Netherlands, where only 20 percent report a history of cannabis use.
While some U.S. economists predict that rates of cannabis use could increase in California under legalization, they have generally ignored the potential benefits of the broad range of strict regulatory tools -- including licensing systems for vendors, purchasing controls and sales restrictions -- that have all proved effective at reducing rates of use and related harms of tobacco and alcohol.
As described earlier this month in an article published in the influential British Medical Journal, Robin Room stressed the need for an urgent consideration of the benefits of cannabis regulatory systems, especially given that successful government lobbying by the tobacco and alcohol industries have slowly eroded or eliminated many of these effective regulatory mechanisms in the U.S.
As Friedman said, "If you look at the drug war from a purely economic point of view, the role of the government is to protect the drug cartel." Recent estimates suggest that national regulation of cannabis in the United States would result in savings of more than $44 billion a year on enforcement expenditures alone.
Conservatives should look at the ongoing legacy of the failed war on drugs, in light of their traditional commitment to stronger families, economies and societies, and reconsider supporting drug policies that only serve to weaken American society.

Evan Wood is the founder of the International Centre for Science in Drug Policy; the director of the Urban Health Program at the British Columbia Centre for Excellence in HIV/AIDS; and associate professor in the Department of Medicine at the University of British Columbia.

QuoteAnd here's an opinion piece from a contributor at CNN: (By Evan Wood)

Heck every body got a opinion just like rear ends.

Quote"There are too many unknowns to be able to come up with a revenue estimate,"

http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/21/news/economy/marijuana_california/index.htm?hpt=T1


Come on Jeff oooo I mean  Palehorse your still spinning on the issue

Quote from: mr.willy on October 21, 2010, 08:03:00 PM
Heck every body got a opinion just like rear ends.

So only those opinions that support your perspective are accredited?  ::)

Quote from: mr.willy on October 21, 2010, 08:03:00 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/21/news/economy/marijuana_california/index.htm?hpt=T1


Come on Jeff oooo I mean  Palehorse your still spinning on the issue

No I'm not spinning, but you are still cherry picking. You take one line from my own source, that is a general statement, and you imply that it eradicates every fact in the piece. . .

Care to list your credentials to support your opinions trumping those of educated, experienced, and qualified experts? Nah. . . I didn't think so. . . ::)

Quote from: Palehorse on October 21, 2010, 03:56:32 PM

So it is your "opinion" that the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration,  RAND Corporations  Drug Policy Research Center,  the World Health Organization, the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, Canadian Medical Association, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, School of Medicine, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD, USA., Et AL surrounding my sources are all unaccredited?

But a blog IS?!  Do you even understand the meaning of the term accredited? Apparently not!

. . .

And I am still awaiting your responses to the above. . .

QuoteMarijuana Withdrawal as Bad as Withdrawal From Cigarettes
Study could potentially help clinicians treat heavy users with related problems

By Eric Vohr
Johns Hopkins Medicine

Research by a group of scientists studying the effects of heavy marijuana use suggests that withdrawal from the use of marijuana is similar to what is experienced by people when they quit smoking cigarettes. Abstinence from each of these drugs appears to cause several common symptoms, such as irritability, anger and trouble sleeping, based on self-reporting in a recent study of 12 heavy users of both marijuana and cigarettes.

"These results indicate that some marijuana users experience withdrawal effects when they try to quit, and that these effects should be considered by clinicians treating people with problems related to heavy marijuana use," said lead investigator Ryan Vandrey, of the Department of Psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine.

http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/2008/28jan08/28maryjane.html

Dang and that was Johns Hopkins University

QuoteThe RAND study also finds that the often-cited claim that marijuana accounts for 60 percent of gross drug export revenues of Mexican drug trafficking organizations is not credible. RAND's exploratory analysis on this point suggests that 15 percent to 26 percent is a more credible range. Given that California accounts for about 14 percent of the nation's marijuana use, this suggests that if marijuana legalization in California only influences the California market, it would have a small effect on drug trafficking organizations — cutting total drug export revenues by perhaps 2 to 4 percent.

http://www.rand.org/news/press/2010/10/12/index.html

Dang and that was RAND.


Here you go Jeff oops I mean Palehorse something extra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWDb-7vPTX8

Harmful Effects of Marijuana Use on Mental Health Video 01. ONDCP Press Conference: Marijuana and Your Teen's Mental Health. When: 5/3/2005. Sponsor: SAMHSA/ONDCP. Experts Alert Parents About Mental Health Harms of Teens' Marijuana Use. Mental health experts and scientists joined high-ranking government officials to discuss an emerging body of research that identifies clear links between marijuana use and mental health disorders, including depression, suicidal thoughts and schizophrenia. The speakers alerted parents about the connection between marijuana use and their teens' mental health. A couple whose 15-year-old committed suicide also spoke. Released at the event was a compendium of recent research linking marijuana and mental illness; a new SAMHSA report about the correlation between age of first marijuana use and serious mental illness; and an open letter to parents on "Marijuana and Your Teen's Mental Health," signed by 12 of the Nation's leading mental health organizations, which is running in major newspapers and newsweeklies across the country. WHERE: National Press Club. 529 14th St., NW, 13th Floor. Washington, DC 20045. Lisagor Room. WHO: John P. Walters, Director, National Drug Control Policy. Charles G. Curie, Administrator, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration; Neil McKeganey, B.A., M.Sc., Ph.D., Professor of Drug Misuse Research and Director, Centre for Drug Misuse Research, Glasgow; University, Glasgow, Scotland, UK. Parents of 15-year-old who committed suicide; Richard Suchinsky, M.D., American Psychiatric Association Council on Addiction; Robert L. DuPont, M.D., President, Institute for Behavior and Health, Inc.; BACKGROUND: In 1998, with the bipartisan support of Congress and the President, the Office of National Drug Control Policy created the National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign to educate and empower youth to reject illicit drugs. Public Domain video.

See you tomorrow Jeff oops I mean Palehorse having trouble keeping all the  names straight. ::D:

QuoteCannabis is classified under international conventions as a drug with a number of personal and public health problems. It is not a ‗soft drug as some people would have you believe. There is new evidence confirming well-known mental health problems, and some countries with a more liberal policy towards cannabis are reviewing their position. Countries need to take a strong stance towards cannabis abuse.

http://www.justice.gov/dea/marijuana_position_july10.pdf

Can you understand that Palehorse [ classified under international conventions as a drug with a number of personal and public health problems.]

Quote from: mr.willy on October 21, 2010, 10:01:08 PM
http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/2008/28jan08/28maryjane.html

Dang and that was Johns Hopkins University

Eric Vohr
Lecturer
Eric A. Vohr is a member of the media relations staff at Johns Hopkins Medicine's Office of Corporate Communications.

Prior to his appointment at Johns Hopkins Medicine, Vohr taught journalism and English composition at Goucher, Loyola and Villa Julie colleges. He also worked as the city editor at the Carroll County Times in Westminster, Md., as the night editor at the Bennington Banner Newspaper in Bennington, Vt. and as a reporter/editor for the Cambodia Daily Newspaper in Phnom Penh. Vohr has written freelance articles for a number of national magazines and leading newspapers including Ski Magazine, Vermont Magazine, Adventure Cycling Magazine, National Ski Areas Association Magazine, The Washington Post, The Albany Times Union, The Manchester Union Leader and The Virginia Pilot. He has written a syndicated outdoor column and a weekly automobile column.

Vohr received his bachelors of arts degree in creative writing at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wash. and his masters degree in creative writing at Johns Hopkins University.

http://web.jhu.edu/Leadership/html/faculty/pcp/vohr.html (http://web.jhu.edu/Leadership/html/faculty/pcp/vohr.html)

What study? Where's the data? Someone with a BA in creative writing and Masters in writing from Johns Hopkins certainly is not qualified to make such statements on his own accord. . . ::)

Quote from: mr.willy on October 21, 2010, 10:01:08 PM
http://www.rand.org/news/press/2010/10/12/index.html

Dang and that was RAND.

Straw man mr.willy. No one is saying that PROP 19 alone is going to impact the drug cartels in and of itself. . . Except you in your implication made as a means to try to divert attention. . .

Quote from: mr.willy on October 21, 2010, 10:01:08 PM
Here you go Jeff oops I mean Palehorse something extra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWDb-7vPTX8

Harmful Effects of Marijuana Use on Mental Health Video 01. ONDCP Press Conference: Marijuana and Your Teen's Mental Health. When: 5/3/2005. Sponsor: SAMHSA/ONDCP. Experts Alert Parents About Mental Health Harms of Teens' Marijuana Use. Mental health experts and scientists joined high-ranking government officials to discuss an emerging body of research that identifies clear links between marijuana use and mental health disorders, including depression, suicidal thoughts and schizophrenia. The speakers alerted parents about the connection between marijuana use and their teens' mental health. A couple whose 15-year-old committed suicide also spoke. Released at the event was a compendium of recent research linking marijuana and mental illness; a new SAMHSA report about the correlation between age of first marijuana use and serious mental illness; and an open letter to parents on "Marijuana and Your Teen's Mental Health," signed by 12 of the Nation's leading mental health organizations, which is running in major newspapers and newsweeklies across the country. WHERE: National Press Club. 529 14th St., NW, 13th Floor. Washington, DC 20045. Lisagor Room. WHO: John P. Walters, Director, National Drug Control Policy. Charles G. Curie, Administrator, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration; Neil McKeganey, B.A., M.Sc., Ph.D., Professor of Drug Misuse Research and Director, Centre for Drug Misuse Research, Glasgow; University, Glasgow, Scotland, UK. Parents of 15-year-old who committed suicide; Richard Suchinsky, M.D., American Psychiatric Association Council on Addiction; Robert L. DuPont, M.D., President, Institute for Behavior and Health, Inc.; BACKGROUND: In 1998, with the bipartisan support of Congress and the President, the Office of National Drug Control Policy created the National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign to educate and empower youth to reject illicit drugs. Public Domain video.

See you tomorrow Jeff oops I mean Palehorse having trouble keeping all the  names straight. ::D:

Now come on. . . You expect an obviously slanted video from two entities that hold a vested interest in continuing the anti-MJ propaganda campaign, and one initiated by a 1998 white house administration that promoted fear mongering, to hold any weight or credibility with anyone?

You are reaching. . . Don't pull something!

Quote from: mr.willy on October 22, 2010, 09:28:42 AM
http://www.justice.gov/dea/marijuana_position_july10.pdf

Can you understand that Palehorse [ classified under international conventions as a drug with a number of personal and public health problems.]

And can you understand how that decision made decades ago, was erroneous? The result of a fierce propaganda campaign undertaken as a means to placate the fear mongers of society? Those who are undereducated and easily lead like the good bleating sheep they have been made!

QuoteAnd can you understand how that decision made decades ago, was erroneous

PROVE THAT IT IS WRONG YOU HAVEN'T YET

QuoteEric A. Vohr is a member of the media relations staff at Johns Hopkins Medicine's Office of Corporate Communication

Where does he get his information from could it be Johns Hopkins Medicine, ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Quote from: mr.willy on October 22, 2010, 10:24:26 AM
PROVE THAT IT IS WRONG YOU HAVEN'T YET

Ummm. Yes. . . I have. You are just too stubborn to accept it, or something. . . I have yet to see one thing from you that disproves or discredits my sources and their findings.

Quote from: mr.willy on October 22, 2010, 10:24:26 AM
Where does he get his information from could it be Johns Hopkins Medicine, ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

That's the whole point willy, where indeed does he get his information? He utilizes nothing more than "say it and it is so" methodology in what is clearly an opinion piece. It provides no data to substantiate his claims. nor links to said data.

Now my sources clearly provide the data and the science behind the executive summaries and conclusions they provide. . .

You have yet to meet that standard with your sources; attempting to rebut science and data with opinion.

So now I ask, who's proven their point, and who is blowing smoke and erecting legions of straw men in an attempt to deflect?  :rolleyes:

Quoteattempting to rebut science and data with opinion.

You just can not face the TRUTH  even with Eric A. Vohr information that he gets from Johns Hopkins Medicine and You are just too stubborn to accept it,and I have prove that some of your sources has more then one opinion on mj and YOU are too too stubborn to accept.

methodology; the analysis of the principles or procedures of inquiry in a particular field

So in your own words you are blowing smoke and erecting legions of straw men in an attempt to deflect of the dangerous effect of  mj, shame on you !!!!!! 

Quote from: mr.willy on October 22, 2010, 12:12:20 PM
You just can not face the TRUTH  even with Eric A. Vohr information that he gets from Johns Hopkins Medicine and You are just too stubborn to accept it,and I have prove that some of your sources has more then one opinion on mj and YOU are too too stubborn to accept.

methodology; the analysis of the principles or procedures of inquiry in a particular field

So in your own words you are blowing smoke and erecting legions of straw men in an attempt to deflect of the dangerous effect of  mj, shame on you !!!!!!

Nice spin job, but not effective at all. . . Want to try again?  :rolleyes:

QuoteNice spin job

No spin at all, proved my point you are lost and even not talking about mj  ::O: ::O: ::O: ::O:

Quote from: mr.willy on October 22, 2010, 01:25:22 PM
No spin at all, proved my point you are lost and even not talking about mj  ::O: ::O: ::O: ::O:

More spin. . .  from you. BIG surprise.  :rolleyes:

Quotefrom: Palehorse on October 21, 2010, 03:56:32 PM

So it is your "opinion" that the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration,  RAND Corporations  Drug Policy Research Center,  the World Health Organization, the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, Canadian Medical Association, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, School of Medicine, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD, USA., Et AL surrounding my sources are all unaccredited?

But a blog IS?!  Do you even understand the meaning of the term accredited? Apparently not!

. . .

And I am still awaiting your responses to the above. . .

Quote from: Palehorse on October 22, 2010, 01:41:18 PM
More spin. . .  from you. BIG surprise.  :rolleyes:

And I am still awaiting your responses to the above. . .

Why won't you concede that there is validity behind the science and data provided to you? (Rhetorical question)  :rolleyes:

QuoteMEXICO CITY, Mexico — The United Nations' drug law enforcement body has reprimanded Latin American countries that have decriminalized narcotic use, delivering a blow to the growing movement looking for a change in drug policy in the region.

The U.N. body says it is particularly concerned by a 2009 law in Mexico thatdecriminalizes possession of small amounts of cannabis, cocaine, heroin and other drugs.

"This legal act may give the wrong signal," says a report released Wednesday by the International Narcotics Control Board, an independent body that monitors the implementation of U.N. drug control conventions.

The board said it wanted to remind the Mexican government that U.N. conventions require that the possession, purchase or cultivation of narcotic drugs be classified as a criminal offense.

The report also attacks the Argentine Supreme Court for a ruling last year that it is unconstitutional to punish the personal use of cannabis.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/mexico/100223/latin-america-decriminalizing-drugs-united-nations

QuoteWhy won't you concede that there is validity behind the science and data provided to you?

OOOOOOHHH ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D UN institute reprimands Latin American countries for decriminalizing drugs ::O: ::O: ::O: ::O: ::O: ::O:

non sequitur

Quotenon sequitur

your are a  sophist  ;D

Quote from: mr.willy on October 22, 2010, 06:34:56 PM
your are a  sophist  ;D

I am not being compensated in any way, shape, or form for my ideals or perspectives. . .

Another baseless accusation. . . Last act of desperation. . .

sophist=One skilled in elaborate and devious argumentation.

Quoteam not being compensated in any way

You are a liberal idiot, I guess I was wrong by calling you a sophist and giving you to much credit  ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Quote from: mr.willy on October 22, 2010, 07:00:41 PM
sophist=One skilled in elaborate and devious argumentation.
You are a liberal idiot, I guess I was wrong by calling you a sophist and giving you to much credit  ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

sophist |ˈsäfist|
noun
a paid teacher of philosophy and rhetoric in ancient Greece, associated in popular thought with moral skepticism and specious reasoning.

Humm. . . whom do I believe? You or the dictionary? (Rhetorical). . .  :rolleyes:

Know what you are saying before you say it. . .

soph·ist  (sfst)
n.
1.
a. One skilled in elaborate and devious argumentation.


sophist - someone whose reasoning is subtle and often specious

2. one who is given to the specious arguments often used by the sophists. — sophistic, sophistical, adj.

Know what you are saying before you say it Palehorse Definitions of specious on the Web:specious

plausible but false; "a specious claim"; "spurious inferences"
gilded: based on pretense; deceptively pleasing; "the gilded and perfumed but inwardly rotten nobility"; "meretricious praise"; "a meretricious argument"

You bit the dust again Palehorse  ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Your nefarious attempts at humor are pitiful. :rolleyes:

The only thing biting around here is you, and it isn't the dust you are munching on.

What happened to everyone else who was commenting on this topic? You scare them off with your halitosis?  ::D:

Since you want to drag this subject into a playground level of interaction, I leave it to you. I want no part of such juvenile doings. . .

QuoteSince you want to drag this subject into a playground level of interaction, I leave it to you. I want no part of such juvenile doings. . .

You Palehorse are the one that has been doing the  juvenile doings. . and your off the topic of mj again. ::D:

Quote from: Palehorse on October 21, 2010, 03:56:32 PM

So it is your "opinion" that the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration,  RAND Corporations  Drug Policy Research Center,  the World Health Organization, the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, Canadian Medical Association, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, School of Medicine, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD, USA., Et AL surrounding my sources are all unaccredited?

But a blog IS?!  Do you even understand the meaning of the term accredited? Apparently not!

. . .

STILL waiting for your answer to this. . . And until you do I refuse to respond to you any further on the subject.

QuoteSTILL waiting for your answer to this. . . And until you do I refuse to respond to you any further on the subject.

By By Palehorse

QuoteMEXICO CITY, Mexico — The United Nations' drug law enforcement body has reprimanded Latin American countries that have decriminalized narcotic use, delivering a blow to the growing movement looking for a change in drug policy in the region.

The U.N. body says it is particularly concerned by a 2009 law in Mexico thatdecriminalizes possession of small amounts of cannabis, cocaine, heroin and other drugs.

"This legal act may give the wrong signal," says a report released Wednesday by the International Narcotics Control Board, an independent body that monitors the implementation of U.N. drug control conventions.

The board said it wanted to remind the Mexican government that U.N. conventions require that the possession, purchase or cultivation of narcotic drugs be classified as a criminal offense.

The report also attacks the Argentine Supreme Court for a ruling last year that it is unconstitutional to punish the personal use of cannabis.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/mexico/100223/latin-america-decriminalizing-drugs-united-nations

UN institute reprimands Latin American countries for decriminalizing drugs ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: just had to bring post forward again  ;D

 :210:

QuoteAnd until you do I refuse to respond to you

Will I guess everyone can now tell how   Palehorse  does not follow his own. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2010, 07:15:52 AM
:210:

Quote from: Palehorse on October 22, 2010, 09:09:10 PM

Quote from: Palehorse on October 21, 2010, 03:56:32 PM

So it is your "opinion" that the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration,  RAND Corporations  Drug Policy Research Center,  the World Health Organization, the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, Canadian Medical Association, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, School of Medicine, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD, USA., Et AL surrounding my sources are all unaccredited?

But a blog IS?!  Do you even understand the meaning of the term accredited? Apparently not!

. . .

STILL waiting for your answer to this. . .

QuoteMEXICO CITY, Mexico — The United Nations' drug law enforcement body has reprimanded Latin American countries that have decriminalized narcotic use, delivering a blow to the growing movement looking for a change in drug policy in the region.

The U.N. body says it is particularly concerned by a 2009 law in Mexico thatdecriminalizes possession of small amounts of cannabis, cocaine, heroin and other drugs.

"This legal act may give the wrong signal," says a report released Wednesday by the International Narcotics Control Board, an independent body that monitors the implementation of U.N. drug control conventions.

The board said it wanted to remind the Mexican government that U.N. conventions require that the possession, purchase or cultivation of narcotic drugs be classified as a criminal offense.

The report also attacks the Argentine Supreme Court for a ruling last year that it is unconstitutional to punish the personal use of cannabis.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/mexico/100223/latin-america-decriminalizing-drugs-united-nations

UN institute reprimands Latin American countries for decriminalizing drugs

Now Palehorse has dragged this subject into a playground, he can't face the true facts.

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Department of Public Information • News and Media Division • New York

PRESS CONFERENCE ON FINDINGS OF INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS CONTROL BOARD 2009 REPORT




The International Narcotics Control Board was concerned that the "creeping normalization" of so-called medicinal marijuana might spur addictive or hard-core use of the drug, a Board member said today while presenting its annual report at a Headquarters press conference.



Melvin Levitsky said that, under the international treaties that had established the Board, Governments had a right to legitimize medical marijuana and have it prescribed by doctors, but the drug should be used only for scientific and medicinal purposes.  In some cases, however, it had been designated as a medicine "by referendum", without scientific basis, he said, adding that most people agreed on the dangers of smoking drugs, which was the main method of administering marijuana.



If Governments were scientifically to isolate marijuana's curative properties, the Board would encourage its use, he said in response to questions.  However, it disapproved of the "slipshod" way in which that had been done with a substance that was smoked, and which was 10 times as strong as the "pot" of the 1960s and 1970s.  For a long time, there had been no instances of people going into emergency rooms for being "strung out" on marijuana, but today the largest number of emergency room visits involved abuse of marijuana, he pointed out.



The Board was concerned about the proliferation of what was considered to be a dangerous drug and labelled as such by every country that had signed the international drug control treaties, he said.  The treaties stipulated that, if a country chose to use a scientific basis to designate marijuana as a useful medicine, it must establish an agency to regulate and control it.  That had not been done anywhere, so there was a "creeping labelling of what is considered a dangerous drug, as medicine", he said.

http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs//2010/100225_

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QuoteQuote from: Palehorse on October 21, 2010, 03:56:32 PM

So it is your "opinion" that the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration,  RAND Corporations  Drug Policy Research Center,  the World Health Organization, the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, Canadian Medical Association, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, School of Medicine, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD, USA., Et AL surrounding my sources are all unaccredited?

But a blog IS?!  Do you even understand the meaning of the term accredited? Apparently not!

. . .

STILL waiting for your answer to this. . .

Quotehttp://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs//2010/100225_INCB.doc.htm

here it is

QuotePress Conference

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Department of Public Information • News and Media Division • New York

PRESS CONFERENCE ON FINDINGS OF INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS CONTROL BOARD 2009 REPORT




The International Narcotics Control Board was concerned that the "creeping normalization" of so-called medicinal marijuana might spur addictive or hard-core use of the drug, a Board member said today while presenting its annual report at a Headquarters press conference.



Melvin Levitsky said that, under the international treaties that had established the Board, Governments had a right to legitimize medical marijuana and have it prescribed by doctors, but the drug should be used only for scientific and medicinal purposes.  In some cases, however, it had been designated as a medicine "by referendum", without scientific basis, he said, adding that most people agreed on the dangers of smoking drugs, which was the main method of administering marijuana.



If Governments were scientifically to isolate marijuana's curative properties, the Board would encourage its use, he said in response to questions.  However, it disapproved of the "slipshod" way in which that had been done with a substance that was smoked, and which was 10 times as strong as the "pot" of the 1960s and 1970s.  For a long time, there had been no instances of people going into emergency rooms for being "strung out" on marijuana, but today the largest number of emergency room visits involved abuse of marijuana, he pointed out.



The Board was concerned about the proliferation of what was considered to be a dangerous drug and labelled as such by every country that had signed the international drug control treaties, he said.  The treaties stipulated that, if a country chose to use a scientific basis to designate marijuana as a useful medicine, it must establish an agency to regulate and control it.  That had not been done anywhere, so there was a "creeping labelling of what is considered a dangerous drug, as medicine", he said.

QuoteOn March 27, 2006, Raich submitted an appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit seeking declaratory and injunctive relief based on the alleged unconstitutionality of the CSA, July 2010 4

and a declaration that medical necessity precludes enforcement of the CSA against her. The court heard this matter on remand following the Supreme Court's decision in Gonzales v. Raich, 545 U.S. 1 (2005). On March 14, 2007, the Ninth Circuit ruled that a terminally ill woman (Angel Raich) using marijuana was not immune to federal prosecution because of her condition. This decision reaffirms that medical marijuana users and their suppliers could be prosecuted for breaching federal drug laws even if the state they live in has made it legal to do so.4

In a show of international support for the U.S. Supreme Court's Raich decision, the International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) issued a statement urging other countries to consider the real dangers of cannabis. ―...Cannabis is classified under international conventions as a drug with a number of personal and public health problems. It is not a ‗soft' drug as some people would have you believe. There is new evidence confirming well-known mental health problems, and some countries with a more liberal policy towards cannabis are reviewing their position. Countries need to take a strong stance towards cannabis abuse.‖5

http://www.justice.gov/dea/marijuana_position_july10.pdf

Palehorse doesn't want you to know that Marijuana is a dangerous, addictive drug that poses significant health threats to users and Marijuana has no medical value that can't be met more effectively by legal drugs, also Palehorse the facts are out there that many Marijuana users are far more likely to use other drugs like cocaine and heroin than non-marijuana users and people like Palehorse plus  Drug legalizers use "medical marijuana" as red herring in effort to advocate broader legalization of drug use.

Quote from: mr.willy on October 24, 2010, 05:29:06 PM
Palehorse doesn't want you to know that Marijuana is a dangerous, addictive drug that poses significant health threats to users and Marijuana has no medical value that can't be met more effectively by legal drugs, also Palehorse the facts are out there that many Marijuana users are far more likely to use other drugs like cocaine and heroin than non-marijuana users and people like Palehorse plus  Drug legalizers use "medical marijuana" as red herring in effort to advocate broader legalization of drug use.

Source(s) please; especially where your allegations concern me. . .

Posted by Palehorse

QuoteSince you want to drag this subject into a playground level of interaction, I leave it to you. I want no part of such juvenile doings. .

QuoteSource(s) please; especially where your allegations concern me.

Heck all anyone has to do is read your post on this subject of mj. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

FACT:

    Once Willy has an opinion on something you'll play hell ever changing it!

more FACTS:

    He 'loves' to argue & will take an opposing stance to any subject "U" introduce; just for the purpose of
propagating  the conversation which allows him to continue to argue.

   This allows him to 'surf the internet' for opposing views which takes time -- which he has "PLENTY OF!"
Willy in a nut shell, Willy's a nut, nut'n "U" say will change his mind!

QuoteWilly in a nut shell, Willy's a nut, nut'n "U" say will change his mind!

Great post Terry it contributes a lot of information on the subject mj. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: 

WHY thank you Willy' after all your ramblings 'i' figured what cou;d ''i' do  ('2' ) screw it up any worse!

NOTHING !!!

So put that in your pipe & smoke it!

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Willy's new cap/with him under it/ all 'i' gotta say is -- " NUTS' --

Thats your man the one trhat  used mj and that the man you wanted in office and now you have proven that you are one of these, Progressives and Liberal Democrats always accuse their opposition of doing exactly what they are doing or of what they have done.

Quotei' figured what cou;d''i' do  ('2' ) screw it up any worse!

Now I can't tell by Terry's post if he is on the bottle or mj but he is diffidently on a high.

If this works here is terry's man the mj user and Terry likes  to talk about nuts. ::D: ::D: ::D:

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What about numbnut Terry, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Get'n ready to roll-a-few " cigarettes " ; nothing going on here!
So be happy, have fun, love it!  Life is short!

'i'll let "U" figure out who is which  ::O:

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Quote from: Terry on October 29, 2010, 09:30:10 AM

Palehorse & Willy

'i'll let "U" figure out who is which  ::O:

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Yet another troll? My gosh, what are you people drinking? :rolleyes:

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...Sickpony

Personal Accountability reveals purpose.

Purpose is awaiting awareness.

Embrace the fact that you did not create yourself.

Become Aware of the origin of belief.

Begin to shape the world from the moment you become conscious of how you were created.

sickpony - google it Palehorse

our government has fallen under the grip of arrogant ideologues and spineless detractors.   (( Our business leaders are more obsessed with stock options and trumping each other's multimillion-dollar salaries than with finding creative solutions to pressing problems, such as the health-care crisis, our loss of competitive edge in the global marketplace, the massive trade deficit, and the slow death of the middle class 'me'. ))

Have fun out there in the deep weeds! :rolleyes:

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OK, 'i' heard the growl 'bark' -- now let's see the bite!!!

it's just for fun - 2 'me'  ::D:

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Quote from: Palehorse on October 30, 2010, 07:36:47 PM
Have fun out there in the deep weeds! :rolleyes:

he was way off in the weeds  when it came to walking!

"U" use that term alot don't "U"?

"U" got a phobia about weeds or something?

PhobiaFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
For other uses, see Phobia (disambiguation).
See also: List of phobias
A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος,phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive and unreasonable desire to avoid the feared stimulus. When the fear is beyond one's control, and if the fear is interfering with daily life, then a diagnosis under one of the anxiety disorders can be made.[1]

This is caused by what are called, neutral, unconditioned, and conditioned stimuli, which trigger either conditioned or unconditioned responses. An example would be a person who was attacked by a dog (the unconditioned stimulus) would respond with an unconditioned response. When this happens, the unconditioned stimulus of them being attacked by the dog would become conditioned, and to this now conditioned stimulus, they would develop a conditioned response. If the occurrence had enough of an impact on this certain person then they would develop a fear of that dog, or in some cases, an irrational fear of all dogs.[citation needed]

Phobias are a common form of anxiety disorders. An American study by the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) found that between 8.7% and 18.1% of Americans suffer from phobias.[2] Broken down by age and gender, the study found that phobias were the most common mental illness among women in all age groups and the second most common illness among men older than 25.

Phobias are not generally diagnosed if they are not particularly distressing to the patient and if they are not frequently encountered. If a phobia is defined as "impairing to the individual", then it will be treated after being measured in context by the degree of severity. A large percent of the American population is afraid of public speaking, which could range from mild uncomfortability, to an intense anxiety that inhibits all social involvement.[citation needed]

Phobias are generally caused by an event recorded by the amygdala and hippocampus and labeled as deadly or dangerous; thus whenever a specific situation is approached again the body reacts as if the event were happening repeatedly afterward. Treatment comes in some way or another as a replacing of the memory and reaction to the previous event perceived as deadly with something more realistic and based more rationally. In reality most phobias are irrational, in the sense that they are thought to be dangerous, but in reality are not threatening to survival in any way.[citation needed]

Some phobias are generated from the observation of a parent's or sibling's reaction. The observer then can take in the information and generate a fear of whatever they experienced

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Quote from: Palehorse on October 21, 2010, 03:56:32 PM

So it is your "opinion" that the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration,  RAND Corporations  Drug Policy Research Center,  the World Health Organization, the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, Canadian Medical Association, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, School of Medicine, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD, USA., Et AL surrounding my sources are all unaccredited?

But a blog IS?!  Do you even understand the meaning of the term accredited? Apparently not!

. . .

And I am still awaiting an answer to this!  :rolleyes:

QuotePress Conference

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Department of Public Information • News and Media Division • New York

PRESS CONFERENCE ON FINDINGS OF INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS CONTROL BOARD 2009 REPORT




The International Narcotics Control Board was concerned that the "creeping normalization" of so-called medicinal marijuana might spur addictive or hard-core use of the drug, a Board member said today while presenting its annual report at a Headquarters press conference.



Melvin Levitsky said that, under the international treaties that had established the Board, Governments had a right to legitimize medical marijuana and have it prescribed by doctors, but the drug should be used only for scientific and medicinal purposes.  In some cases, however, it had been designated as a medicine "by referendum", without scientific basis, he said, adding that most people agreed on the dangers of smoking drugs, which was the main method of administering marijuana.



If Governments were scientifically to isolate marijuana's curative properties, the Board would encourage its use, he said in response to questions.  However, it disapproved of the "slipshod" way in which that had been done with a substance that was smoked, and which was 10 times as strong as the "pot" of the 1960s and 1970s.  For a long time, there had been no instances of people going into emergency rooms for being "strung out" on marijuana, but today the largest number of emergency room visits involved abuse of marijuana, he pointed out.



The Board was concerned about the proliferation of what was considered to be a dangerous drug and labelled as such by every country that had signed the international drug control treaties, he said.  The treaties stipulated that, if a country chose to use a scientific basis to designate marijuana as a useful medicine, it must establish an agency to regulate and control it.  That had not been done anywhere, so there was a "creeping labelling of what is considered a dangerous drug, as medicine", he said.

http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs//2010/100225_INCB.doc.htm

INCB Membership
The International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) consists of 13 members who are elected by the Economic and Social Council and who serve in their personal capacity, not as government representatives. Three members with medical, pharmacological or pharmaceutical experience are elected from a list of persons nominated by the World Health Organization (WHO) and 10 members are elected from a list of persons nominated by Governments.

The term of office of each member of the Board shall end on the eve of the first meeting of the Board which his successor shall be entitled to attend (Article 10 paragraph 2 of the 1961 Single Convention).

The members, with mandates expiring in the year indicated below, are:
Current memberss:
Hamid GHODSE
Iran (Islamic Republic of)
2012

Galina Aleksandrovna KORCHAGINA
Russian Federation
2015

Carola LANDER
Germany
2012

Melvyn LEVITSKY
USA
2012

Marc MOINARD
France
2015

Jorge MONTAÑO
Mexico
2012

Lochan NAIDOO
South Africa
2015

Rajat RAY 
India
2015

Viroj SUMYAI  Thailand
2015

Sri SURYAWATI
Indonesia
2012

Camilo URIBE GRANJA
Colombia
2015

Raymond YANS
Belgium
2012

Xin YU 13 members who are elected by the Economic and Social Council
China
2012


Elected by ECOSOC from among nominees submitted by WHO.
YEA!  From the looks of that list, I'd believe anything they said  :rolleyes:  ::D:

Economic and Social Council:

Australian Parents for Drug Free Youth
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~apfdfy/
An anti-drug educational site from the land down under.
(Last checked 11/11/09)

QuoteA HAT-TRICK OF INFORMATION ABOUT MARIJUANA



Did you know...

marijuana (pot, grass, weed) smoke contains substantially more cancer-causing chemicals than tobacco smoke

chemical ingredients in marijuana can stay in the body up to a month following the smoking of a single joint

today's marijuana is about 20 times stronger than marijuana used in the 1960's

marijuana users can experience a pyschological dependence on the drug and can develop a tolerance to the drug, requiring them to use more or stronger forms of marijuana to achieve the same level of "high"

the effects of marijuana can linger long after the "high" is gone

Regular marijuana use causes these symptoms- sooner or later:

lack of motivation

red eyes and fatigue

decreased performance in schoolwork and sports

loss of timing

loss of short term memory

changes in grooming and appearance

abrupt mood changes

impaired driving ability

irritability and increasing friction with peers and family

Marijuana use affects the body and how it functions:

it increases the heart rate

it irritates the lungs and impairs the lung's ability to expel bacteria and other foreign substances

it interferes with the ability to concentrate, which is necessary for basic academic skills, like reading comprehension, verbal and arithmetic problem solving, and overall thinking ability

it interferes with motor skills by slowing down reaction time, distorting visual perception, and minimizing coordination

in the male, it can reduce sperm production and mobility

in the female, it can cause irregular menstrual cycles and egg production

it interferes with psychological functioning, personality development and emotional growth



Misdiagnosed suicide from lethal cocktail

DEATHS from a lethal cocktail of cannabis and anti-depressant medication were often misdiagnosed as youth suicide, an anti-drug forum in Sydney  NSW Australia was told on June 19 1999.

Many deaths linked to the combination might have been misdiagnosed as drug-suicides, Sydney psychophysiologist John Anderson said.

A keynote speaker at the Keep Our Kids Alive forum, Dr Anderson argued against the belief cannabis was not harmful, telling of an eight- year-old drug dealer and user working Sydney's streets.

Dr Anderson said it was well known that cannabis abuse led to clinical depression, but not that its excessive consumption combined with the prescribed amount of anti- depressants led to toxic effects and death. "We know from a lot of animal studies that cannabis inhibits a very particular enzyme in the body which is necessary to metabolise anti-depressants," he said.

"If that's not present it's not metabolised ... the anti-depressant medication cannot be broken down. In fact it reverses the metabolism." He cited the example of a young depressed person rightfully receiving anti-depressant medication from a doctor, but failing to mention heavy cannabis use.

"The kid takes the anti-depressant exactly as prescribed and uses the cannabis, but because it's chewing up the particular enzyme the anti-depressant can't be metabolised and it builds up in the body.

"Some time later the kid's suddenly dead, assumed to have committed suicide because of depression."



Dr Anderson said an autopsy would find an increased amount of anti-depressant unbroken down - leading to an assumption of suicide by overdose with antidepressants.

"But it's not. He took it as pre- scribed. Why did he die?

"Because he was using cannabis and it was stopping the breaking down."

Dr Anderson said this was more than a hypothetical problem and believed it was prevalent.





Sources For Information:

American Academy of Pediatrics, "What You Should Know About Marijuana", 1980

American Medical Association, Drug Abuse: a guide for the primary care physician, 1981

Manatt, Marsha, Ph.D., Parents, Peers, and Pot, National Institute on Drug Abuse, 1979

Mann, Peggy, "The Battle Against Pot: How Parents Are Fighting To Keep Children Off Drugs", Ladies' Home Journal, October, 1980

National Institute on Drug Abuse, "For Parents Only: What You Need To Know About Marijuana", revised 1981

Pollin, William, M.D., Director, National Institute on Drug Abuse, in a statement on Health and Educational Effects of Marijuana on Youth before the Subcommittee on Alcoholism and Drug Abuse, Committee on Labor and Human Resources, United States Senate, October 21, 1981

Drug Precipice, UNSW Press Book, 1998



If you don't or can't believe the statements made - contact these addresses for full reports:

A.P.F.D.F.Y
P.O. Box 73
MARYBOROUGH QLD 4650
PHONE: (07) 4121 2600
FAX: (07) 4123 3810

P.R.Y.D.E.
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CRONULLA NSW 2230
PHONE: (02) 9544 2359
FAX: (02) 9527 8621

 
Information is supplied by the APFDFY PO Box 73 Maryborough Qld 4650 Australia Phone/Fax 0741 233 810

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~apfdfy/Hat.html



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Yes Willy all the copy & posted info below is true  (( but )) it's because the 'stuff' was abused;
Do all things "U" do in moderation  DON"T DO SOME THINGS!  ::O:


Did you know...

marijuana (pot, grass, weed) smoke contains substantially more cancer-causing chemicals than tobacco smoke

chemical ingredients in marijuana can stay in the body up to a month following the smoking of a single joint

today's marijuana is about 20 times stronger than marijuana used in the 1960's

marijuana users can experience a pyschological dependence on the drug and can develop a tolerance to the drug, requiring them to use more or stronger forms of marijuana to achieve the same level of "high"

the effects of marijuana can linger long after the "high" is gone

Regular marijuana use causes these symptoms- sooner or later:

lack of motivation

red eyes and fatigue

decreased performance in schoolwork and sports

loss of timing

loss of short term memory

changes in grooming and appearance

abrupt mood changes

impaired driving ability

irritability and increasing friction with peers and family

Marijuana use affects the body and how it functions:

it increases the heart rate

it irritates the lungs and impairs the lung's ability to expel bacteria and other foreign substances

it interferes with the ability to concentrate, which is necessary for basic academic skills, like reading comprehension, verbal and arithmetic problem solving, and overall thinking ability

it interferes with motor skills by slowing down reaction time, distorting visual perception, and minimizing coordination

in the male, it can reduce sperm production and mobility

in the female, it can cause irregular menstrual cycles and egg production

it interferes with psychological functioning, personality development and emotional growth

Quote(( but )) it's because the 'stuff' was abused;

habit forming  or abused maybe the correct way to describe its "addiction" potential in my opinion also. ;D

Addiction                                                                                                                     Historically, addiction has been defined with regard solely to psychoactive substances (for example alcohol, tobacco and other drugs) which cross the blood-brain barrier once ingested, temporarily altering the chemical milieu of the brain.

Many people, both psychology professionals and laymen, now feel that there should be accommodation made to include psychological dependency on such things as gambling, food, sex, pornography, computers, video games, internet, work, exercise, idolising, watching TV or certain types of non-pornographic videos, spiritual obsession, cutting and shopping so these behaviors count as 'addictions' as well and cause guilt, shame, fear, hopelessness, failure, rejection, anxiety, or humiliation symptoms associated with, among other medical conditions, depression and epilepsy.
...in my opinion anything that is 'habit' forming or becomes 'habit' is an addiction; from combing your hair a certain way over & over to cursing or swearing.  "WE" all have addictions to something or some things which simply means it's became 'habit'!

It would appear the day of reckoning draws near, and what will you do when California passes the law making mary jane legal?

"Run! The sky is falling!"  ::D:

Is n't the situation bad enough without all of these lies obscuring the field?                                                                                                                                                                                                                  California passes the law making mary jane legal


For medicinal (def.) [[ of, or having the properties of,medicine; curing, healing, or relieving]] purposes  ONLY!
or relieving * That's what 'i' use Canadian Mist for, but since 'i' can't stand the taste of mecicine 'i' cut it with diet coke.  ::D:

Prop. 19 will flicker out. ::D:

LONDON — Alcohol is a more dangerous drug than both crack and heroin when the combined harms to the user and to others are assessed, British scientists said Monday.

Presenting a new scale of drug harm that rates the damage to users themselves and to wider society, the scientists rated alcohol the most harmful overall and almost three times as harmful as cocaine or tobacco.

According to the scale, devised by a group of scientists including Britain's Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs (ISCD) and an expert adviser to the European Monitoring Center for Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA), heroin and crack cocaine rank as the second and third most harmful drugs.

Ecstasy is only an eighth as harmful as alcohol, according to the scientists' analysis.. .

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20101101/NEWS-US-DRUGS-ALCOHOL/ (http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20101101/NEWS-US-DRUGS-ALCOHOL/)

Palehorse A small percentage of alcohol drinkers become alcoholics, while 100% of heroin users become addicted junkies!

I also notice your post article was (Editing by Alison Williams) what did they leave out ????? ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

Quote from: Terry on October 31, 2010, 01:20:13 PM
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For medicinal (def.) [[ of, or having the properties of,medicine; curing, healing, or relieving]] purposes  ONLY!
or relieving * That's what 'i' use Canadian Mist for, but since 'i' can't stand the taste of mecicine 'i' cut it with diet coke.  ::D:

More lies. Prop 19 will legalize the use of mary jane by private individuals and decriminalize its possession!

Quote from: mr.willy on November 01, 2010, 04:13:26 PM
Palehorse A small percentage of alcohol drinkers become alcoholics, while 100% of heroin users become addicted junkies! . . .

I would not argue the fact that heroin is addictive, but do you have any scientific data to support you opinion?  Heroin is also, and rightfully, illegal. . .

QuoteI also notice your post article was (Editing by Alison Williams) what did they leave out

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QuoteI also notice your post article was (Editing by Alison Williams) what did they leave out

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Definitions of Multi-criteria decision analysis on the Web:

Multi-criteria decision analysis (MCDA), sometimes called multi-criteria decision making (MCDM), is a discipline aimed at supporting decision makers who are faced with making numerous and conflicting evaluations. ...  ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

[At least one of the authors, professor Nutt is highly biased as a campaigner for drug legalization and the article is suspect to great deal of ideological bias. One of the methods of those wanting easier access to illegal drugs and to make these substances respectable and "mainstream" (including George Soros who heavily funds the effort) is to push the following false argument: "Alcohol is legal. Alcohol is more harmful than illegal drugs. Therefore illegal drugs should be made legal." The argument is sloppy and deceptive. Alcohol related costs, morbidity and mortality are much higher than illegal drugs because it is used by many, many more people. Arguments that it is pharmacologically more dangerous are unfounded and compare apples and oranges. Given that alcohol and tobacco health, economic and social costs are much higher than those for illegal drugs (because their use is much higher) actually helps demonstrate that illegal drugs should be kept illegal. The law acts as a deterrant such that a VERY low percentage of people use any illegal drug other than cannabis, and cannabis use is much lower than alcohol or tobacco use as well. However, the flood of lies and misinformation aimed at selling legalization never stops. Its effectiveness can be seen in California. For example, in Europe, which is traditionally more liberal in views on such issues, only 23% of adults would vote to make cannabis accessible (legal) - range low of 10% in Sweden to high of 49% in Netherlands). Yet all the smoke and mirrors and obfuscating the facts in California actually have many of itss citizens blinded to the truth - legalization will not affect the cartels, will not make any income for state or local governments, and will create new health and social problems and compound problems that already exist. Soros, professor Nutt who co-wrote the article, and their ilk will laugh while everyone else pays for it.]

Thanks to my friend that sent what I posted above. ;D ;D

        Legal cannabis for the rest of us?                                                                                 By Madison Park,                                                                                                                                 CNNNovember 2, 2010 7:13 a.m. EDT
Marijuana can relieve pain and even depression to some extent, but can also impair motor function.STORY HIGHLIGHTS
California votes on Proposition 19 Tuesday, which would permit recreational marijuana use
10 percent of people who try marijuana become addicted, according to federal data
Marijuana can relieve pain, stimulate appetite and act as antidepressant
(CNN) -- Marijuana makes you slow and raises the risk of addiction, memory problems and cognitive functions, some health agencies warn.

But its enthusiasts counter that in addition to fueling creativity, pot is a natural herb with health benefits, relieving pain and improving quality of life for chronically ill patients.

Medical use of marijuana is legal in 14 states and the District of Columbia. On Tuesday, California voters will decide whether their state will be the first to legalize recreational marijuana use.

The vote on Proposition 19 is being closely watched as the Golden State is often seen as a bellwether. It was the first state to authorize medicinal marijuana in 1996.

Prop 19 would allow people 21 and older to possess, cultivate or transport up to 1 ounce of marijuana for personal use.

The intense debate about marijuana legalization has caused science to get lost in the rhetorical shuffle, said Alan Budney, professor of psychiatry and a research scientist in the Center for Addiction Research at the University of Arkansas.

"The government wants to put things out in sound bites," he said. "The pro-marijuana camp puts out sound bites. It's all or nothing."

The medical evidence on marijuana is "not black and white," Budney said. "When people say one thing, you can bet it's somewhere in the middle. It's all pretty gray."

Marijuana is the most widely used illicit drug in the United States, according to the Office of National Drug Control Policy.

California marijuana vote draws unlikely foes, allies into ring

Proponents for legalizing its use often say that marijuana is far less damaging than alcohol, which is legal.

"Have you ever heard of a fight in a bar caused by smoking marijuana? Or killing someone because of marijuana?" asked Dr. Lester Grinspoon, a psychiatrist and retired professor at the Harvard Medical School who has published several books and articles in drugs and drug policy.

"You probably never will, because number one, alcohol enhances aggressiveness, marijuana does the opposite," he said. "People don't want to punch anybody. They want to be friendly and left alone. It doesn't cause the violence. It's a safer recreational drug because of that."

In pop culture, marijuana is often portrayed as an innocuous drug. In a show of support for Prop. 19, actor Zach Galifianakis appeared to light up a joint on HBO's "Real Time" with Bill Maher on Friday.

Referendum Highlights
California will vote on the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010 in November. Among the referendum's provisions, it:

• Allows people 21 and older to possess up to an ounce of marijuana for personal use.
• Allows for the cultivation, in plots no larger than 25 square feet, and transportation of marijuana for personal use.
• Enables local governments to tax the estimated $15 billion in marijuana transactions each year.
• Allows local governments to maintain prohibitions on marijuana, much like a dry county would alcohol.
• Permits the legislature to develop a statewide regulatory system for commercial cannabis.
• Bans public consumption, possession on school grounds, smoking in front of minors and providing marijuana to those younger than 21.
• Maintains prohibitions against driving under the influence of drugs.

Source: Tax Cannabis 2010 Medicinal marijuana is used to stimulate appetite, relieve pain and reduce nausea.

One of the issues is that people believe how marijuana affects them is how it affects everyone, said Dr. Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

"They base it on their own experiences, and it is possible you can smoke and have no ill effects. It's also possible you can smoke until age 100 and have no ill effects. Whether you're vulnerable to toxic effects of smoking or marijuana is dependent on unique genes."

"We don't know what genes we're carrying -- it's like playing roulette," she said. "If you have a genetic risk for addiction or higher sensitivity, all of those can result in serious adverse effects of smoking marijuana."

The drug could increase risk of psychotic episodes and impair short-term memory, motor coordination and decision-making, Volkow said.

CNN Political Ticker: Proposition 19

Marijuana contains more than 400 chemical constituents, and its main psychoactive ingredient is tetrahydrocannabinol, THC for short.

It binds to cannabinoid receptors in the brain in areas that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, appetite, pain and movement coordination.

This could lead to the feeling of calmness, euphoria and creativity.

"It's a great antidepressant, and you feel good," Grinspoon said. "It is a slight alteration of consciousness. It does open up one's mind and new ideas come to mind."

Oaksterdam's Richard Lee: Make weed legal like Budweiser, not orange juice

Grinspoon said he had staked his professional career on the notion that "cannabis is the least toxic psychoactive drug known to man."

Unlike alcohol, there has not been any deaths from overdose of marijuana, he said.

Study: Alcohol 'most harmful drug,' followed by crack and heroin

"It's also much less harmful in so many other ways," he said. "There are things like cirrhosis from alcohol, but there's no such organ damage with cannabis."

Volkow said the impression that marijuana is harmless is wrong. Along with effects in the brain, she said chronic marijuana smoking could inflame lung cells, increasing the risk of chronic bronchitis.

"There is no scientific evidence that it's benign," she said. "Indeed, there's substantial evidence of adverse effects. What are consequences of marijuana? Number one, of the people who get exposed, 10 percent will become addicted. Despite what everyone wants to believe, the evidence is there."

Cannabinoid receptors are found in the cerebellum, an area of the brain that's indispensable for coordination. This has raised concerns that legalizing marijuana would increase the number of people driving stoned.

Teens (and parents) not always truthful about drug use

People shouldn't drive after using marijuana because of safety reasons, Grinspoon said, but they're not likely to cause the same problems caused by drunken drivers.



Video: Legalizing pot, who supports it? RELATED TOPICS
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"If you see someone driving on the right side of the road, driving timidly ... that's someone driving stoned," he said. "They drive timidly, not to justify that. It's just the opposite of the alcoholic who gets arrogant on the road."

"They have no urgency about them; that might be part of their driving slow."

Budney said that cannabis is useful in some conditions as science continually evolves.

"We know marijuana affects the system; we don't know how much," he said.

"Heavy use of marijuana, just like any substance, is going to interact with brain," he said. "Something you smoke is going to have an effect on the lungs. If you do too much of it, how serious are those effects? We know it affects memory, complex tasks."

According to a USC/Los Angeles Times Poll, 51 percent of likely voters said they would vote against legalization while 39 percent indicated they supported the measure.

Quote from: mr.willy on November 01, 2010, 05:50:07 PM
No answer.. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

I do not answer inquiries that are not germane to the subject at hand.

The people of Californian recognized that legalizing marijuana will not make their citizens healthier.


"Run Palehorse The sky is falling upon you!"  ::D: ::D: It would appear the day of reckoning came and Marijuana went up in smoke.  ::D:

Quote from: mr.willy on November 03, 2010, 08:00:06 AM
The people of Californian recognized that legalizing marijuana will not make their citizens healthier.


"Run Palehorse The sky is falling upon you!"  ::D: ::D: It would appear the day of reckoning came and Marijuana went up in smoke.  ::D:

I am not running. It is just a symptom of the scare tactics you righties keep utilizing.  :rolleyes:

QuoteIt is just a symptom of the scare tactics you righties keep utilizing

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"To the last, I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." ~ Melville / Moby Dick

Quote"To the last, I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." ~ Melville / Moby Dick

Palehorse those are the famous last words that was spoken by Capt. Ahab as he is about to die following the failed quest for revenge, are you about to die?????????

Quote from: mr.willy on November 11, 2010, 05:49:09 PM
Palehorse those are the famous last words that was spoken by ME as I'm about to die following the failed quest for revenge, are you sorry for me?????????

Willy done got tired adel'n with "U" guys!
if "U" cann't beat'm go way with "U"r tail between "U"r legs  ::D:  ::D:  ::D:

Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2010, 05:42:02 PM
"To the last, I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." ~

I am not running. It is just a symptom of the scare tactics you righties keep utilizing. 
righty is GONE  :(  ::)  :-\  ::O:  ::(:  :rolleyes:   :'(

I really think that Marijuana should be legalized.  It has a lot of medicinal uses, and I have never in my life heard or seen anyone smoke marijuana and go out and commit a crime.  Or overdose.  Marijuana comes from the earth.  All natural.  I have never in my life smoked Marijuana.  But, I know plenty of people who do.