Marijuana

[mr.willy]

"It is like Russian Roulette to use these drugs," John W. Huffman, PhD, who invented one of the synthetic cannabinoids (JWH 018), told WebMD. "We don't know a darn thing about them for real. In terms of biological activity, these things are similar to THC, the active compound in cannabis. Now the thing is, nobody knows anything about how these new compounds act in the human body."

"When you take these drugs, you are hijacking the part of the brain important for many functions: Temperature control, food intake, perception, memory and problem solving," Huestis told WebMD. "And people taking these high-potency drugs are affecting other important functions throughout their bodies - hormone functions, for example."

http://greensburgdailynews.com/local/x693282874/Unknown-Effects-Of-Legal-Synthetic-Marijuana-Sparks-Ban-Debate

[Palehorse]

Ummm. . . that is NOT marijuana. . .

[mr.willy]

Hay Palehorse many countries have banned Spice including Germany, France, Chile, Poland, Russia, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, and the U.K.

Why not the U.S.????????


http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/?watchId=4a2b0aaa-6570-4e9a-9d7d-817b43837f7f

[Palehorse]

Hay Palehorse many countries have banned Spice including Germany, France, Chile, Poland, Russia, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, and the U.K.

Why not the U.S.????????


http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/?watchId=4a2b0aaa-6570-4e9a-9d7d-817b43837f7f

OFF topic

[mr.willy]

OFF topic

there is no quality control in something like k2 there is also no quality control in mj, is that  right Palehorse

[Palehorse]

there is no quality control in something like k2 there is also no quality control in mj, is that  right Palehorse

OFF topic. . .

[mr.willy]

OFF topic. .

OK Palehorse  is there any quality control on mj,

[Palehorse]

OK Palehorse  is there any quality control on mj,

I am not qualified to speak on behalf of mother nature, nor anyone currently operating what is right now considered an illegal growing operation.

Surrounding the utilization of marijuana within the diagnostics portion of the medical industry, yes there is; and it falls under FDA jurisdiction, as well as the DEA control.

[mr.willy]

Surrounding the utilization of marijuana within the diagnostics portion of the medical industry, yes there is; and it falls under FDA jurisdiction, as well as the DEA control.

Now is mj a drug or not according to the Gov.& what do you say it is ???????

[Palehorse]

Now is mj a drug or not according to the Gov.& what do you say it is ???????

It is presently mis-classified as a dangerous drug by the government, and moreover classified as illegal by this very same government.

It is useful for many things, including but not limited to the making of rope; which as has been noted earlier by another poster, it is still utilized for in other countries, who make it and legally export it to the United States for sale and use.

It is a plant, and should be more properly classified akin to tobacco, and taxed and regulated as alcohol is. . . And one day it will be. . . Until then, the war on drugs is a losing proposition, and one that would be far better utilized in targeting "hard illegal drugs" like coke and heroin, ET AL.

Then the DEA can hand off responsibility for its regulation to the BATF and the FDA can continue to oversee its quality standards. . .

[mr.willy]

Palehorse what people aren't looking at are that companies  are going to come in and see this movement of mj as a way of making a huge profits and they are going to try to make just as much money from the users  just like the mexican cartel, and plus the State California and the Fed. government of [ if they change ]  will also want to TAX the hell out of  marijuana.  ::O: ::O:

I will bet you Palehorse  that  California prop 19 does not pass and even if voters pass Prop. 19 which would legalize use of mj in California, the Justice Department will continue to enforce federal drug laws according to what Eric Holder has said. ::O:

[Palehorse]

Palehorse what people aren't looking at are that companies  are going to come in and see this movement of mj as a way of making a huge profits and they are going to try to make just as much money from the users  just like the mexican cartel, and plus the State California and the Fed. government of [ if they change ]  will also want to TAX the hell out of  marijuana.  ::O: ::O:

I will bet you Palehorse  that  California prop 19 does not pass and even if voters pass Prop. 19 which would legalize use of mj in California, the Justice Department will continue to enforce federal drug laws according to what Eric Holder has said. ::O:

Expanded corporate revenues and profits mean expanded taxation revenues. Taxation by the feds is exactly what people who are supporting this movement are counting upon, to stimulate the economy and help pay down the national debt that has been incurred due to the economic downturn.

It should be subject to the very same regulatory status and taxation as alcohol and tobacco; and in fact it would seem a no brainer as a new cash crop for the big tobacco companies world wide.  .  .

I think prop 19 has as good a chance at being passed as it has to not be passed; and that is a very stark difference in historical approaches to the issue; and in my opinion a positive sign.

The feds may very well step up enforcement, but doing so will be viewed as oppression by a vast majority of the citizens in this country; regardless of where they stand on the issue. And that is the crack in the foundation.

IF it passes it will expedite the matter on a national scale.  Should it pass and California see it generate 653 million in additional annual revenues, which are the most conservative figures out there surrounding its potential, you will see special interests lobbyists pushing for similar federal legislation forthwith. . .

This country is once again desperate for economic stimulus that works and makes sense. THIS makes sense in that it is an untapped source for perhaps billions in tax revenues nationwide. In addition it addresses a senseless problem that was created when they listed it  back in the day, which in turn created the hemp highway between Mexico and the US, as well as wildcat growing operations within the US Borders that eat up law enforcement man hours and funding to the tune of billions each and every year just for marijuana.

These assets can then be redirected toward the real socially damaging hard drugs that they should have been deployed toward out of the gate!

[mr.willy]

Should it pass and California see it generate 653 million in additional annual revenues,

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How did you come up with that amount


Breaking News: Prop 19's Claim of $1.4 Billion in Weed Revenue Debunked!
[quoteProp] 19's Claim of $1.4 Billion in Weed Revenue Debunked

New BOE Estimates Say "It Is Not Possible to Estimate the Potential Revenue Gain"

Sacramento – The California State Board of Equalization (BOE) this week released an updated analysis of Proposition 19. Among their findings, the BOE found that because Proposition 19 "does not contain any new responsibility, rule, or law applicable on a statewide level...it is not possible to estimate the potential revenue gain."



The BOE report notes that while Proposition 19 states that the purpose of the Act "is to, in part, 'tax and regulate cannabis in order to generate billions of dollars for our state and local governments,'" the Act itself "does not establish a statewide regulatory framework, nor does it impose an additional statewide tax on cannabis."

The BOE's finding debunks the notion promulgated by proponents that Proposition 19 will somehow generate "billions" in new tax revenue for the state of California.
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http://thehive.modbee.com/node/21426


Prop 19 Warning: California can not tax pot.
Submitted by Activist1 on Thu, 2010-07-01 08:00.
Press release:WARNING:  CALIFORNIA CAN'T TAX POT.

Steve Cooley, L.A. County District Attorney, has done a thorough analysis of the measure and has come up with the following conclusions:  1) The State is prevented from charging any taxes on pot, 2) The State is not allowed to regulate or control any aspect of pot cultivation, transportation, sales or use.


So where does the government of the State of California fit into this picture?  They do have a role...to pay for increased costs of auto accidents, rehabilitation, mental health treatment, emergency room care, increased crime, and broken families that are the result of greater pot use.  While it is difficult to quantify these costs, they are likely to be at least as expensive as the social costs of alcohol and tobacco which costs taxpayers $12 for each $1 collected in taxes.  These expenses can't be passed on to the pot industry through taxes because Prop 19 prohibits it:  Guess who pays these bills?...California taxpayers! "We're being asked to subject ourselves to more government regulation, more crime, and higher taxes so that a few people can smoke recreationally.   I SAY NO TO THAT," says Scott Chipman, Southern California Chairman of CALM.

http://thehive.modbee.com/node/20232

This country is once again desperate for economic stimulus that works and makes sense. THIS makes sense in that it is an untapped source for perhaps billions in tax revenues nationwide.

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Palehorse its starting to sound like your doing a lot of spinning and spinning again. ;D

[Palehorse]

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How did you come up with that amount


Breaking News: Prop 19's Claim of $1.4 Billion in Weed Revenue Debunked!http://thehive.modbee.com/node/21426


Prop 19 Warning: California can not tax pot.
Submitted by Activist1 on Thu, 2010-07-01 08:00.
Press release:WARNING:  CALIFORNIA CAN'T TAX POT.http://thehive.modbee.com/node/20232

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Palehorse its starting to sound like your doing a lot of spinning and spinning again. ;D

Your quoting an activists blog as a source and I am the one spinning? Come on!

My sources are accredited and validated, while yours are clearly slanted and spinning conjecture. DO some research like I did and come up with something better than that!

[mr.willy]

My sources are accredited and validated,

I havent see any of your  sources that are accredited and validated, You biggest problem is you cannot stand anyone that disagree with you on mj, you sound like a far left liberal that thinks they know what is correct for this country.

You still have not proved what you said

Should it pass and California see it generate 653 million in additional annual revenues,

Where is your accredited and validation of  establishing a valid proof 653 million in annual revenues. ::D: ::D: ::D: ::D:

One more thing Palehorse as you are for prop 19 and your Proponents of legalization claim it will raise "billions" in taxes. But if everyone could legally grow their own, why would anybody pay  the tax. ::D: ::D: ::D: